From: Wayne Lewis (lewisway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Dec 28 2001 - 00:33:15 GMT-3
If I understand correctly, over the next year, new Cisco Press books fo
r
CCIE lab prep will be trickling out. They will come out in different forms,
but one form will be modules (like Bridging or Multicasting). These lab
books will definitely go a long way to focusing your lab preparation. The
CCIE group at Cisco says in no uncertain terms that the CCIE is not a
training program - despite this conviction, the new books coming out will
move the certification that much closer to a training program - good or
bad, it's a natural evolution. In my opinion, it's a good thing - the
quantity and depth of material that you have to master will be the same, but
there will be less ambiguity about such things that consume untold hours of
people's time. This listserv is a perfect example of the need for the new
books - the same things are rehashed over and over - people have to keep
reinventing the wheel. People have to keep learning things the hard way,
when coherent presentations of the various topics could greatly reduce the
trial-and-error approach - for example:
(1) clarifying redistribution of OSPF to IGRP on various IOS releases
(2) listing sanctioned solutions to all the ISDN scenarios that you have to
master
(3) providing scenarios for IRB and SR/TLB with or without the Cat3920
Education is about making things accessible to people, not treating it as
something mysterious and just out of your reach. Most of the CCIE content is
not deep - it's difficulty lies in it's breadth. You don't have to think
hard to figure out most 'CCIE' problems - it's not like writing code to
solve a physics problem. It's just a matter of knowing what to do in dozens
and dozens of specific cases - keep in mind that this is coming from someone
who's failed the exam twice.
Now that I've put myself on the soapbox, I have some opinions about
improving the exam to keep it's value - make it more a measure of depth, not
breadth. Make it more complex and less a test of 'well, you can configure
SRB on routers B and C, or you can configure SRT on the 3920' or 'configure
the loopbacks as point-to-point to propagate the /24 network' or 'use
split-horizon here but not there except in case this or else that'. It's
really kind of silly when you think about it. The exam should test your
ability to figure things out (opinion continuing), not have you done this 11
times so you know exactly the sequence of 4 steps expected in the
requirements.
Anyway, be happy that some cool books will be coming out that will narr
ow
your studying and hope that the value of the CCIE will be maintained somehow
in the process.
Aloha,
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Sean C.
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:26 PM
To: MD Schnabel; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: New Cisco Press CCIE book.
I just grabbed the new CCIE book off of BAMM for 60.75 (with the BAMM
membership and free shipping).
Of all the book sniffers and booksites I buy from, usually Walmart has the
best price. Unfortunately, the CCIE book isn't in stock yet. Example: the
new book Cisco Secure Virtual Private Networks is found on different book
sniffer sites for @ $45.00 with a retail of $50.00 - Walmart is selling it
for $35.00.
HTH,
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "MD Schnabel" <macks.majordad@gte.net>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: New Cisco Press CCIE book.
so far fatbrain has the best price...67.50
mark
Jeff Kesemeyer wrote:
> I received me copy of Practical Studies on 12/24 by Barnes and Noble.
> Looks like it will become one the main CCIE Study books.
>
> Jeff Kesemeyer
> CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, CNE
> www.bradshawlabs.com
> "Your CCIE Rack Rental Source"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Sean C.
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:24 PM
> To: fwells12; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New Cisco Press CCIE book.
>
> I'm curious, where did you find the new CCIE book? I've been watching
> some of the various booksites (BAMM, B&N, Walmart, Amazon, etc along
> with BestWebBuys and AddAll, etc) and every site I've checked says the
> book was published on the 15th but hasn't been received by the stores.
> I'm eagerly anticipating that book, Caslow's new book, the Juniper book,
> plus the new PIX and VPN books but haven't found any available yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fwells12" <fwells12@hotmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:01 PM
> Subject: New Cisco Press CCIE book.
>
> Does anyone have the configuration files for then new Cisco Press CCIE
> Practical Studies book? The labs in the back of the book point at the
> CiscoPress website but they are not there. I have emailed the folks at
> Cisco Press to have them put them in the appropriate place but no
> response yet.
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