From: Derek Small (dwsmall@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Dec 04 2001 - 01:48:45 GMT-3
The only legal issue is if you allow off-premise calls to come in, then be
routed over your private network, to a remote site, then back to an
off-premise party. This is illegal without an intra-lata charter from the
FCC (long distance carrier license). You can only do this if the calling
party and the called party are in the same lata. Like Ron said, you can do
tail-end-drop off though, where an on-premise call, is routed over a private
network, to an off-site destination in another lata. Likewise, you can
route inbound, off-premise calls over a private network to an on-premise
remote destination.
Derek W. Small, CCIE # 5832, Nortel NCSE
President and CEO
Fatkid.com, Inc.
dwsmall@fatkid.com
fax: 513-759-1579
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Ron Royston
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:19 PM
To: Justin.Dean@nrtinc.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: IP Telephony - Toll Bypass and Legal problems
There's nothing illegal about operating a network. In the US, the FCC does
have a licensing program for carriers, whether domestic, international,
etc., and there are fees. However, if it's YOUR companies network, you can
do 'tail end drop off' or a 'leaky PBX' if you want to and it is legal.
Just as an aside, I used to work for a company that built out leaky PBXs in
foriegn countries. In an international senario, there is usually a PTT, or
Postage, Telephone, and Telegraph agency that has control over the local
telecommunications infrastructure. Typically, there is a "reciprocity fee"
that the local PTTs charge for foriegn carriers to terminate international
voice traffic onto their local network. The idea is that the great majority
of international traffic is outbound from the US, i.e., the US side of the
connection gets all of the money for the end-to-end international voice
circuit. So, the local PTT says, "give me a cut of the profit or you won't
terminate your traffic here." Especially since deregulation here in the US,
startups have managed to get telecom gear in those foriegn countries like
Panama, Brazil, India, etc. without letting on as to what it's for and all
the local PTTs are told is that Business X wants 96 flat business lines, for
example. Generally, calling card companies, for example, will purchase bulk
voice capacity to a foriegn country via a co-lo facility, aka telco hotel,
like in Jersey, New York, or Los Angeles. All international calls are
routed to the telco hotel and the different circuits are setup between buyer
and seller of international minutes for the respective countries. Some of
these smaller "carriers" tie over via the Internet. I know of one Houston
company that's running quite a bit of voice to Mexico via an IP, Internet
circuit. My ex employer leased satellite BW and terminated on a rooftop in
Rio and SaoPaulo.
In my opinion, be careful with your money. I've seen many people spend alot
of money on networking gear and not get the BIG payback expected as soon as
possible. It takes big international minutes buyers time to trust your
network. You've got to build up a name for yourself. "Yea, but I can sell
my minutes for alot cheaper than whatever the rate is" ...but it doesn't
always work like that. Good luck. If you want to see the international
minutes marketplace, www.ratexchange.com is a good starting point.
If you know of someone or some group of individuals that wish to invest in
building out a network for voice services, domestic or international, and
want to bring someone else in, shoot me an email.
-Ron
>From: "Bauer, Rick" <BAUERR@toysrus.com>
>Reply-To: "Bauer, Rick" <BAUERR@toysrus.com>
>To: "'Larson, Chris (Contractor)'" <Chris.Larson@ed.gov>, "'Dean,
>Justin'" <Justin.Dean@nrtinc.com>, "'ccielab@groupstudy.com'"
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: IP Telephony - Toll Bypass and Legal problems
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:05:52 -0500
>
>Not just in VOIP but in traditional PBX networks as well. Its called Tandem
>Switching. Once the conversation is packetized it is exempt from toll
>charges. Everyone does it, thats what the tie lines are for.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larson, Chris (Contractor) [mailto:Chris.Larson@ed.gov]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:45 PM
>To: 'Dean, Justin'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: RE: IP Telephony - Toll Bypass and Legal problems
>
>
>I don't know why the TAC guy said that. I have worked for several
>organizations that do toll bypass across the country. He may have been
>referring to the need for some kind of 911 or 911E implementation. Maybe
>someone can shed more light, but I know it is done A LOT. It is one of the
>main reasons for an organization to implement VoIP. Toll Savings and or
>messege unit savings.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean, Justin [mailto:Justin.Dean@nrtinc.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:00 PM
>To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: OT: IP Telephony - Toll Bypass and Legal problems
>
>
>Does anyone have any information on the legalalities for doing toll bypass
>via ip telephony. Basically what I am planning is to have several Call
>Manager clusters, Gatekeepers, and voice gateways. The voice gateways will
>be about 1000 2600's spread across the nation connected to the local PSTN.
>I
>want to route all company calls to the gateway that is local to the calling
>area and have it leave the local pstn to avoid all long distance charges. A
>TAC engineer at Cisco just told me that there are legal reasons preventing
>this. Does anyone have any info on this. Also, if anyone has any experience
>in doing a large AVVID implementation and would like to give some advice
>that would be much appreciated. Thanks,
>
>
>Justin Dean, CCIE #7705, CCNP, CCDP
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