From: Todd Veillette (tveillette@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Oct 11 2001 - 08:44:42 GMT-3
> Hi Jay, all,
>
> The cciewebcast last night addressed the issues below, so I am positive
> what they said doesn't violate the NDA. In a nutshell they said IP,
> and interface configs would be set to a level the specific lab dictates,
> a diagram is not required, and most impotently, the level to which
> the addressing is done will NOT have any deliberately put in errors.
>
> >* We just want to know as to what extent the network is pre-configured.
> >* Is it just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> >* issues like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols,
> >* etc.
>
> -Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:40 AM
> Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
>
>
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
> >
> > > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives
someone
> an
> > > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that
wasn't
> > > intended.
> >
> > Yes, I feel that the type of information that you were requesting in
> > your original post would give someone an unfair advantage. And, yes,
> > I feel that revealing it would definitely be an NDA violation.
> >
> > > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> lunch
> > > during your exam.
> >
> > TTBOMK, lunch is not served in the exam room. At San Jose, you were
given
> > a voucher for day one lunch and escorted to the cafeteria where there
was
> a
> > varied menu. On day two you were on your own for lunch. I would
presume
> > that this may vary by location, but that the candidates taking the
one-day
> > exam would likely be escorted to lunch. Frantic phone calls to TAC from
> > the payphones in the Cisco cafeteria are not considered good form.
> >
> > > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like
this
> > > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> score,
> > > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to
actually
> > > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic
IP,
> > > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> non-issue.
> > > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just
don't
> get
> > > it. Help me see the light.
> >
> > Look at what you asked for:
> >
> > * We just want to know as to what extent the network is pre-configured.
> > * Is it just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more
complex
> > * issues like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols,
> > * etc.
> >
> > Look at bullet point three of the confidentiality agreement found at
> >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/confidentiality_agrmt
> .pdf
> >
> > * That You may not disclose the Exam questions or answers or discuss any
> of
> > the content of the Exam Materials with any person, without prior
written
> > approval of Cisco;
> >
> > IMHO, the extent to which the network is preconfigured and the specifics
> > you asked about with regard to IP addressing, interfaces, ISDN and
frame-
> > relay, and basic routing protocols are indeed very clearly "the content
of
> > the Exam materials" as defined by the NDA.
> >
> > > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day
format
> > > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I
need
> to
> > > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> same
> > > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> and
> > > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
> >
> > The CCIE program is not, to the best of my knowledge, obligated in any
> > way to accommodate the customers or competitors of those in the business
> > of providing exam preparation services. In some ways the relationship
> > is adversarial.
> >
> > > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> going
> > > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> and I
> > > would prefer to do it only once.
> >
> > I would approach it within the guidelines of what is on the Cisco
website,
> > and not ask for people to risk violating NDA. Perhaps the newer CCIE
> > Assessor may be of value.
> >
> > Let me provide an observation, based on having taken the lab more than
> > once and having participated in this forum for a long time. There are
> > some technologies and scenarios I have seen discussed here frequently,
> > often in excruciating detail, that I have never seen in the lab. There
> > were things I saw in the lab that haven't been touched upon here at all.
> >
> > For me or anyone to provide information such as "You're wasting your
> > time studying 'X'", or "You ought to know how to do 'Y'", based on the
> > experiences of having seen the lab would clearly be wrong, do you not
> > agree?
> >
> > Yet what you're asking here is for information as to how the lab is
> > preconfigured. That is fundamentally part of the exam materials and
> > would give candidates inside knowledge of what not to study because it
> > is provided preconfigured.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
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