From: Bob Chahal (bob.chahal@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Oct 11 2001 - 06:48:30 GMT-3
Marc,
I used your labs and found them invaluable. IMO they are already a kind of
"one-day" format. The labs need revamping anyway and with a few educated
guesses turning them into marketable "one-day" labs shouldn't be a problem
should it?
I have to agree with Jay, what you're asking for is inciting people to break
the NDA. I don't suppose many will though.
Bob Chahal
CCIE# 8233
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay@west.net>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
>
> > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives someone
an
> > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that wasn't
> > intended.
>
> Yes, I feel that the type of information that you were requesting in
> your original post would give someone an unfair advantage. And, yes,
> I feel that revealing it would definitely be an NDA violation.
>
> > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
lunch
> > during your exam.
>
> TTBOMK, lunch is not served in the exam room. At San Jose, you were given
> a voucher for day one lunch and escorted to the cafeteria where there was
a
> varied menu. On day two you were on your own for lunch. I would presume
> that this may vary by location, but that the candidates taking the one-day
> exam would likely be escorted to lunch. Frantic phone calls to TAC from
> the payphones in the Cisco cafeteria are not considered good form.
>
> > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like this
> > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
score,
> > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to actually
> > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic IP,
> > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
non-issue.
> > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just don't
get
> > it. Help me see the light.
>
> Look at what you asked for:
>
> * We just want to know as to what extent the network is pre-configured.
> * Is it just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> * issues like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols,
> * etc.
>
> Look at bullet point three of the confidentiality agreement found at
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/confidentiality_agrmt
.pdf
>
> * That You may not disclose the Exam questions or answers or discuss any
of
> the content of the Exam Materials with any person, without prior written
> approval of Cisco;
>
> IMHO, the extent to which the network is preconfigured and the specifics
> you asked about with regard to IP addressing, interfaces, ISDN and frame-
> relay, and basic routing protocols are indeed very clearly "the content of
> the Exam materials" as defined by the NDA.
>
> > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day format
> > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I need
to
> > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
same
> > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
and
> > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
>
> The CCIE program is not, to the best of my knowledge, obligated in any
> way to accommodate the customers or competitors of those in the business
> of providing exam preparation services. In some ways the relationship
> is adversarial.
>
> > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
going
> > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
and I
> > would prefer to do it only once.
>
> I would approach it within the guidelines of what is on the Cisco website,
> and not ask for people to risk violating NDA. Perhaps the newer CCIE
> Assessor may be of value.
>
> Let me provide an observation, based on having taken the lab more than
> once and having participated in this forum for a long time. There are
> some technologies and scenarios I have seen discussed here frequently,
> often in excruciating detail, that I have never seen in the lab. There
> were things I saw in the lab that haven't been touched upon here at all.
>
> For me or anyone to provide information such as "You're wasting your
> time studying 'X'", or "You ought to know how to do 'Y'", based on the
> experiences of having seen the lab would clearly be wrong, do you not
> agree?
>
> Yet what you're asking here is for information as to how the lab is
> preconfigured. That is fundamentally part of the exam materials and
> would give candidates inside knowledge of what not to study because it
> is provided preconfigured.
>
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