From: Peter Van Oene (pvo@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2001 - 21:37:04 GMT-3
I hate this thread, but am compelled to respond much like one forces oneself to
look at traffic accidents.
I agree that CCIE is a vendor cert that can be had with little experience in ab
out a years time. I expect I could take most intelligent college folks with de
sire and an aptitude in technology, and given a years time, get them through th
e CCIE program. In the end would I want them working in my network? Likely no
t :) I'd certainly prefer someone who had demonstrated a history of success.
The underlying point is that CCIE, lab or not, is still a test. Although it al
ludes to a high level of competency in an area, that area might still be test t
aking instead of networking. I further haven't seen too many ISP's that really
care about CCIE certification. Its really an enterprise oriented program at t
his point (albeit C/S may change that).
It's not that I don't endorse the program, it's that I'm sick of folks thinking
that they've figure it all out and are the cream of the crop because the have
four Cisco numbers. Or recruiters who recruit on the basis of certifications
over competence.
That said, I know a great many talented CCIE's. I've just met too many signatu
re savvy folks lately.
pete
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On 10/2/2001 at 6:42 PM Roberto wrote:
>CCIE : 2 semesters of Grad school? Which bit did you byte? I'll give you 2
>cents to save your opinion. CCIE's are tops in the Networking industry just
>like specializing doctors are tops in the medical field. A doctor who
>graduates from med school with no experience isn't worth much until he gets
>experience. CCIE's have experience and prove it by passing a lab exam. By
>the way, go into an ISP and tell them you are an engineer with PHD and want
>$150000/yr to configure BGP. They'll laugh in your face. On the other hand,
>tell them you are a CCIE and watch them drool!!!
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hansang Bae" <hbae@nyc.rr.com>
>To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:07 PM
>Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
>> At 09:40 PM 10/1/01 -0400, Scott Morris wrote:
>> >When was the last time that you asked one of your doctors where they
>went
>to
>> >school?
>>
>> Every time I visit a new doctor. Their MD degree is on the wall. And
>the
>> points you make are not valid AT ALL. Medical school is a 4 year
>undergrad
>> (being able to maintain a very high GPA), MCATs, 4 years of GRUELING
>> medical school, 1 year of MORE GRUELING intern year, 3-7 years of EVEN
>> MORE GRUELING residency. Oh, and you have to pass the national boards
>> wirtten and oral.
>>
>> CCIE is what, a vendor cert that can be had w/ less than one year of
>> experience?
>>
>> I know you were just making a comparision, but I see people making these
>> arguments w/o ever thinking it through. And it happens to be a pet peeve
>> of mine (in case you couldn't guess that! <G>)
>>
>> IMO, CCIE is equivalent to one or two semesters of upper engineering
>> undergrad courses. But of course, that's just my $0.02 worth - taxable
>in
>> NYC <G>
>>
>> hsb
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