From: Joseph Ezerski (jezerski@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 19:53:10 GMT-3
and Bing Crosby was 1025....heh.
-Joe
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
chris@pacinter.net
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:38 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
First # was 1024, and i believe it was Bob Hope
----- Original Message -----
From: <Monty.Majszak@Level3.com>
To: <bruce@williamsnetworking.com>; <Jim.Brown@CaseLogic.com>;
<jkaberna@netcginc.com>; <scking@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> Bravo, well said guys. It's Cisco's cert and it appears as though they're
> going to do what they like with it so there's no point in sitting around
> griping about it. Stupid question, but anyone know who the very first CCIE
> was and if so if there still around, just curious. The first one would be
> 1001 right? Didn't they start at that #?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Williams [mailto:bruce@williamsnetworking.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:59 PM
> To: Jim Brown; 'John Kaberna'; R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> That is a good point about the early CCIE Labs. If they decided to let us
> bring notes and stuff into the Lab now, we would all say that it is too
> easy. However, in reality it was extremely difficult back then and it
always
> will be. I guess we dont really have to worry about the CCIE losing it's
> value.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Brown" <Jim.Brown@CaseLogic.com>
> To: "'John Kaberna'" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>; "R. Scott King"
> <scking@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:40 PM
> Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
>
>
> > The test has been in a state of change since its inception. In the days
of
> > yesteryear....
> >
> > Candidates received all the material from the get go. You could go home
> and
> > research topics on the test and come back then next day and complete.
> >
> > Candidates could bring in laptops with them to use for configuration
with
> > any digital material they desired.
> >
> > You could haul in any paper configs, books, or notes to take the exam.
> >
> > How about the CCIE's who took their exam during the early 90's on 5-6
AGS
> > routers with 10.0 code? Voice over X, IPSec, and other crazy features?
> >
> > The exam is in just another state of flux. Anybody that tells me it is
> worth
> > less know than it was a few years back is high. There are more features,
> > more material to cover, and more hardware.
> >
> > One day, two day, who cares. It is your skill and knowledge that will
> carry
> > you. I will consider the cert proof of my ability to learn and
comprehend
> > new technologies.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@netcginc.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:12 PM
> > To: R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
> >
> >
> > Caslow and Remaker have both given their opinions about it. Caslow
> admitted
> > that there will be less topics (problem #1). TS is gone and even if
they
> > change IP address or cables big deal (problem #2). People will now be
> able
> > to see the entire test without earning each section (problem #3). There
> > won't be a face-to-face debrief for people to potentially argue some
> points
> > (problem #4).
> >
> > You can argue that what I'm saying isn't true. At one point people
argued
> > the world was flat too. Everything I just said is fact except for
> Caslow's
> > opinion. I think that his opinion on this subject should be weighed
very
> > strongly though.
> >
> > John Kaberna
> > CCIE #7146
> > NETCG Inc.
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> > www.netcginc.com
> > (415) 750-3800
> >
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