From: Joseph Ezerski (jezerski@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Oct 01 2001 - 18:04:10 GMT-3
Does a CCIE candidate study any less for the exam whether it be one day or
two day? Does any CCIE really know anything more about Routing and
Switching the day after the exam than the day before? If you cut a CCIE
does he not bleed?
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
R. Scott King
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:48 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
It's strange to me that you are saying all of this and giving us a liberal
dose of your opinion before anyone has even taken this test. It seems that
you are making conclusions without the benefit of data.
I will be taking the new 1-day test on Wednesday, and I will be drawing
conclusions about it then. I will be happy to share my experience with the
group after that, but not rant and rave about the changes before I know what
I'm talking about.
As for troubleshooting; since they are going to give you a partially
implemented network anyway (with terminal server and IP addressing already
done), what's to say that they won't have some parts of it implemented
incorrectly that you have to find and fix? I don't know that they will do
this, but you don't know that they won't.
Let's just wait and see before we fly off the handle, eh?
Scott King
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
John Kaberna
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 2:14 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
IMO, this is going to lead to "lab braindumps" now that any monkey can see
the entire test instead of earning each section. Since they only have a few
different versions of the test what would stop a training company from
getting their hands on the 6 or 8 tests by having candidates memorize the
exams? I think it would be very feasible and likely to happen.
Also, no troubleshooting means we'll have a bunch of lab rats with no real
experience. TS was the one section that seemed to test real experience.
Their claim that TS is required throughout the exam now is a joke. What
they are claiming is NO different from the current format. If you configure
something and it doesn't work that requires TS. How is that any different
from the two day format? How are they going to test that by changing a
config register a router that is reloaded ignores its config? How will they
test password recovery? I could go on and on. I think not having TS is a
major problem.
I think it's funny that they said "time is not your friend." I know I had
tons of time during my test. Puhlease. Time has always been a factor in
the lab. It's been that way for years. I'd like to see a copy of a 2-day
test next to a 1-day test to see if they actually cover as many topics aside
from TS. I'm willing to bet anything that they don't. If they do then
great. At least the core topics will be just as difficult although without
TS I really don't think it's the same test.
Sorry to be so negative guys. But, Cisco has a wait list problem and this
is their answer on how to solve it. Their goal is NOT to make the exam
harder or keep the community as exclusive as it has been. I suppose it will
just take some time to adjust to the fact that it is changing for the worst.
The fact that they are considering having proctors give the exam via a
webcam proves to me they are not dedicated to keeping the same quality.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
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