From: Elias Udechime (euchime@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Aug 25 2001 - 16:34:09 GMT-3
Ademola,
Sorry for the belated response to this thread. As I
understood it, you took it in South Africa. There is
no more Apathied we are told. There is no doubt that
if the Proctor does not like you or understood your
point of view trying to explain why and how you
arrived at your conclusion, he is definitely going to
feel that you 're not ready to be a CCIE. The lab exam
is like Maths question, there is only one answer to
the question. There are many solutions to arrive to
it. For instance, if you are asked to configure two
routers back to back so they could ping each other,
all the proctor is looking for is pinging the two
routers, he does not care what routing protocol you
configured. If you are able to convince the Proctor
that it is a good method to arrive at it is running
BGP, he will give the point. However, the Proctor
checks your configurations and output depends on what
is asked of the question. I have not taken it or tried
to take it yet. But I will assume it should be so.
It may not be racisism, but it could be stereotyping.
The best thing is try to be friendly and not arguing.
BTW: there is no partial credit any more.
Try to know your shit back to back and be friendly.
Elias
--- Ademola Osindero <ademolaosindero@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I tried arguing in the lab while marking with him
> but
> I just decided to ignore things. Painfully I got
> back
> to Nigeria and checked my configs and found out most
> of them he gave me 0 marks for partial configs were
> alright. And nobody has answered the question, is it
> true that there are no marks for partial configs?
>
> And the second fact is that he wasn't my proctor on
> day 1. My proctor's attituide on day 1 was not close
> to his.
>
> Anyway, Cisco, take note or don't take note. I am
> daring the next proctor in any lab I am going. And I
> still maintain my point there was racism in there.
>
>
>
>
> --- "R. Scott King" <scking@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Alan is Black and Howard is white, but it really
> > doesn't matter because
> > they're both fair and honestly care about whether
> > you pass or not. I will
> > be taking my next attempt in RTP because my first
> > attempt was a good
> > experience (even though I flunked).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Ron.Fuller@3x.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:21 AM
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; nobody@groupstudy.com;
> > Ken Snyder
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Experience from the depths of
> > below...
> >
> >
> > Don't know if it really matters to you but Alan in
> > RTP is black. It may
> > be an issue in the Johannesburg lab more so than
> it
> > is here in the US.
> >
> > Ron Fuller, CCIE #5851, CCDP, CCNP-ATM, CSS Level
> 1,
> > CCNP-Voice, MCNE
> > 3X Corporation
> > rfuller@3x.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ademola Osindero <ademolaosindero@yahoo.com>
> > Sent by: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > 08/03/2001 01:09 PM
> > Please respond to Ademola Osindero
> >
> >
> > To: Ken Snyder <phizzog@home.com>,
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Experience from
> the
> > depths of below...
> >
> >
> > To everyone as well,
> >
> > I took my lab on july 23/24 in johannesburg, I
> swear
> > I
> > will never go back. I had been so stressed before
> > travelling down to there because of my travelling
> > arrangements. I managed to survive day1 and
> started
> > my
> > day 2. I had hoped to cover everything on day 2
> > which
> > I tried except for very few things. While
> > configuring,
> > the UPS on the frame relay switch kept going off
> and
> > on for almost 1hours 10minute but I cared less as
> I
> > kept configuring. Meanwhile, my other remaining
> lab
> > mate kept calling the proctol's attention. Well at
> > break time, the proctol told me to leave while he
> > gave
> > my other lab mate 15 minutes extra. Yet we both
> had
> > the same problems.
> >
> > While marking, I discovered most of my configs
> were
> > missing...who should I ask? My proctol simply told
> > me
> > no marks for partial configs. I have written Cisco
> > to
> > know if this is true.
> >
> > Well, my other lab mate made it through, how? only
> > heaven can explain. My claim is simple. I am Black
> > and
> > the proctol is purely white and so is my other lab
> > mate. I took my exam in that aparthied country. I
> AM
> > SCREAMING RACISM. THE PROCTOL NEVER BELIEVED HE
> > COULD
> > SEE A BLACK IN THAT LAB. He told me most of my
> > configs
> > were not complete yet I got back to Nigeria and
> > confirmed they were meant to be working well. He
> > asked all sorts of questions he shouldn't have
> asked
> > a
> > CCNP yet I answerd perfectly well. I asked him the
> > same question there that how does he expect these
> > things to be configured, but he simply said this
> is
> > your first time. The proctol on day one was not
> like
> > this at all.
> >
> > If the CCIE lab contnues this way then it's a
> ruse.
> > It
> > is painful to be failed when you know what you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Sorry Ken, hope they can hear us.
> >
> >
> > --- Ken Snyder <phizzog@home.com> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel entitled to let everyone know what
> > > happened in my 4 days of
> > > misery last week in Halifax. I started Day 1
> last
> > > Tuesday. It was a fair
> > > test with many great tricks but I was very
> > confident
> > > moving into Day2.
> > > Well I received my Day 2 lab and to my delight,
> I
> > > had covered many of
> > > the topics in great detail. So I started flying
> > > through Day 2. Well
> > > about an hour into my test, the proctor came up
> > and
> > > took the lab from my
> > > desk, he gave me another lab and told me to
> start
> > > over. I guess the
> > > other fellow who made it to day 2 received the
> lab
> > > that was designed for
> > > my rack and I had his lab. The proctor
> mistakenly
> > > gave us the wrong
> > > exams. The other guy couldn't understand why his
> > ATM
> > > wouldn't come up
> > > but my lab fit on my topology so I didn't notice
> > it.
> > > So I get the new
> > > lab and begin to start over. Now many of the
> > things
> > > I had from the
> > > previous lab over lapped and I spent an hour
> > fixing
> > > things. Than I got
> > > to a section that required a configuration that
> I
> > > did have an option for
> > > on my router so after researching it in the
> > > documentation, I found that
> > > I had in fact the wrong IOS on my router. I had
> to
> > > hunt down the
> > > proctor. He knew right away that it was the
> wrong
> > > IOS so he gave me a
> > > Flash card and told me to fix it! I was fit to
> be
> > > tied at that point. So
> > > all in all I pled my case and the proctor met
> > talked
> > > with this
> > > supervisor Lornne Braddock (who is very pleasant
> > to
> > > deal with in these
> > > situations). They gave me three options: take
> the
> > > test again at a later
>
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