From: Chuck Church (cchurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Aug 18 2001 - 18:45:41 GMT-3
Don't be too sure. Recently my company chose not to hire a CCIE, even
though he was willing to work for under $100K. Why? No real experiance
with the two NOS's we deal with - NetWare and NT. He came from an ISP and
knew BGP inside and out. The CCIE is great, no doubt about it, but if you
know nothing about the end systems that your well designed network is
interconnecting, you're at a big disadvantage. Just my .02.
Chuck
CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Scott King" <scking@cisco.com>
To: "Groupstudy" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> One thought--if you and a CCIE are competing for a job, who do you think
is
> going to get it? You are only fooling yourself if you think this
> certification isn't worth pursuing. It's kind of like having a
degree--some
> jobs won't hire you without it, no matter how much experience you have.
> Just go look through Monster.com and see how many internetworking
positions
> require the applicant to have a CCIE and think about whether you'd even
> qualify. If you think the CCIE is worthless, stop pursuing it and get off
> this list.
>
> Scott
>
> P.S.: The whole reason the CCIE is going to one day instead of two is so
> they can get rid of the preliminary "basics" (like assigning names and IPs
> to routers) and get straight into the meat of the test (like BGP
> confederations and regexp's). Think about it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Peter Rybaczyk
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:56 AM
> To: Don Dettmore
> Cc: CCIE Lab List
> Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
>
>
> I was just recently talking to a friend of mine who is an MCSE. He
informed
> me
> that worldwide, there are appx. 400,000 (yes, four hundred thousand)
MCSEs.
> There is a recertification requirement by the end of this year (believe it
> has
> soemthing to do with XP, but don't quote me on it) that's expected to drop
> this
> number by about 30%, i.e., to about 280,000. According to latest posting
on
> Cisco's website, there are about 6,400 active CCIEs worldwide. So the
> current
> ratio between CCIEs and MCSEs is about 1.6 to 100. I think we have a long
> way to
> go before the number of CCIEs reaches that of MCSEs and the certification
is
> completely degraded, if it ever will.
>
> On Money Line last night, there was a reference that only about 5 percent
of
> world population has access to the Internet. Just think about the
> implications
> of this for those with CCIE skills, especially if you are on the path of
> constantly upgrading your skills. If you expect to see an instant return
on
> your
> investment in becoming a CCIE, maybe you got it for a wrong reason. Also,
if
> you
> expect to stop growing after you got it, then I do believe that your CCIE
> will
> become worthless. But if you view your certification as recognition of
your
> current skill set and a launching platform for developing new skills, then
I
> don't believe that a CCIE will ever become degraded, come one-day or
> half-day
> exams in the future.
>
> I think that the attitude of current CCIEs and especially of wanting to
rest
> on
> your laurals or being concerned about how many other people are joing the
> club
> is what can create the perception that CCIE certification is getting
> worthless.
> Folks, the word travels fast. If you start talking to your friends about
how
> worthless the certification is becoming without giving them the other side
> of
> the story of the sweat, expense and sacrifice that goes into getting it,
> then I
> believe that it's the greatest damage that will be done to the
> certification.
>
> For me, the numbers speak for themselves. I for one, don't plan on
stopping
> with
> just getting R/S cert. There is Security, there is Dial ISP, there are
> others
> and I am sure that Cisco is open to developing new tracks as technology
> evolves
> and is also committed to maintaining the integrity of the certifications
> regardless of the exam format.
>
> And BTW, those kind of postings are not a motivation killer for me to
> proceed
> with my preparation and striving to get the number. I think they are more
a
> result of ignorance than anything else. Flames welcome.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
> 9 days till 1st attempt
>
>
>
>
> Don Dettmore wrote:
>
> > You are absolutely right - it's quickly becoming another MCSE/CNE. I
> can't
> > wait for the 'CCIE for Dummies' book.
> >
> > Seriously, though, at this level, your experience/ability gets you the
> job -
> > the CCIE a minor peice of validation. (and getting more and more minor
> > every day)
> >
> > Don
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Barone" <steve@chetona.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM
> > Subject: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> >
> > > The run from CCIE #6,800 to CCIE #8,000 was from February
> > > to August 2001. Who say's this certification has and will
> > > maintain it's value with CCIE #10,000 less than 1 year away.
> > > Probably faster with the number of one day lab candidate's
> > > increasing the number's.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
**Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Thu Jun 13 2002 - 10:31:53 GMT-3