From: Dan Pontrelli (dp595@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 12:04:43 GMT-3
Makes you wonder what the legal issues would be, doesn't it ?
According to the statistics regarding current growth rate of CCIEs, we
wouldn't have to settle for $5 for another 6 months.
As a promotional incentive, if the auction doubles the reserve we can give
away free pig's feet.
And the 2-day CCIE will be at double the reserve price of the 1-day CCIE
while the 1-day CCIE will have the "buy it now" option for $100.
We'll use tradenable for escrow so that if the buyer is not happy with the
1-day CCIE, they can send them back (they would still be liable for the
escrow fee of course) and bid on a 2-day CCIE.
Any takers ?
-Dan
> I really have no idea whether we're "allowed" to do that or not. Although
I
> certainly wouldn't mine being paid to do so.
>
> What kind of reserve price would we set? I mean I'd hate to think that
we'd
> get bought for a year for only $5. :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Pontrelli [mailto:dp595@optonline.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:26 AM
> To: Scott Morris; 'Jay Hennigan'; jonatale@earthlink.net
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
>
>
> If you guys are serious I'll set up a "dutch" auction and get you all in
> there.
> I'm sure somebody out there would like to become an instant Gold Partner
:-)
>
>
> -Dan Pontrelli
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@mentortech.com>
> To: "'Jay Hennigan'" <jay@west.net>; <jonatale@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:22 AM
> Subject: RE: Taking the number with you...
>
>
> > Auctioning myself on EBay... Now THERE'S something I hadn't thought
> of!!!!
> >
> > I wonder if EBay would allow it. ;)
> >
> > Would I then be considered a slave? Or a prostitute?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jay Hennigan
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:08 AM
> > To: jonatale@earthlink.net
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 jonatale@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> > > what if you pay for the ccie yourself?
> >
> > It doesn't matter.
> >
> > I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for Cisco so take this as my
> > interpretation
> > of what's out there. It's worth at least twice what you paid for it.
;-)
> >
> > There are two issues here that are both pretty clear from reading
Cisco's
> > website.
> >
> > ISSUE 1: Who is entitled to be recognized as being a CCIE?
> >
> > The CCIE certification and number are granted to and remain with the
> > individual who qualifies, regardless of his or her employment status.
> >
> > In fact, the employer is _prohibited_ from claiming any CCIE
> qualifications
> > for the organization itself. They can state that they have CCIEs on
> staff,
> > but not that the organization is itself CCIE.
> >
> > You earned it, it's yours, regardless of who paid for the lab fees or
> > training. You may have some contractural obligations if you agreed to
> > remain with a company for a specific period in exchange for training,
> > but that's a separate issue between you and your employer and doesn't
> > affect your CCIE status.
> >
> >
> > ISSUE 2: How are CCIE requirements counted for Cisco Partners?
> >
> > There are benefits in terms of deeper discounts granted by Cisco for
> > reseller Partners based on the Partner level; Premier, Silver, Gold.
> >
> > One of the requirements for the higher levels (and thus the deeper
> > discounts) is employing certain numbers of CCIEs. This has
traditionally
> > been one of the more difficult obstacles to the higher levels. Even
> > despite the high salaries commanded by CCIEs, the additional discount
> > points granted to a high-volume Partner are such that it is often
> > cheaper for a Partner to hire a CCIE away from a competitor than to
> > "grow" one in-house through training, etc. "Raiding" a competing
> > reseller has the added advantage of not only increasing your CCIE
> > count but decreasing that of your competition.
> >
> > In order to prevent CCIEs from auctioning themselves on EBay, etc.,
> > and to minimize the raiding, Cisco structured rules rewarding its
> > Partners for growing new CCIEs in-house and also discouraging them
> > from hiring CCIEs away from other Partners. I believe that the basics
> > are that if you hire a CCIE from another reseller, you can't "count"
> > that CCIE for six months after date of hire, and if you lose a CCIE
> > you have a year to find a replacement.
> >
> > The whole of issue 2 is of strategic and bargaining interest to CCIEs
> > in terms of their employment options, particularly if they are presently
> > employed by a Cisco Partner. The individual still is entitled to the
> > number and the certification regardless of employment.
> >
> > Strategically, if you're employed by a Cisco reseller, the best time
> > to negotiate a better salary is immediately before you pass the Lab.
> >
> > Once you're qualified as a CCIE and employed by a Cisco reseller, you
> > are less valuable to other resellers as they can't "count" you until
> > you've been on their payroll for six months and less valuable to your
> > present employer as you can still be counted for a year after you leave.
> >
> > This whole discussion really belongs on the jobs list.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
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