OT: Re: CCIE losing clout?

From: W. Alan Robertson (warobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu May 24 2001 - 15:54:22 GMT-3


   
You and I are in the same boat, Andrew... I haven't obtained a single
certification, and I broke through the 6 figure ceiling a few years ago.
There's no way I'm going back!

The threat to all of us is that CCIEs, particularly new ones without the 10+
years of experience that many of us have, believe these kind of ridiculously lo
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salary expectations, and take these jobs at $85-90k. If that begins to occur o
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a regular basis, then the certification absolutely begins to lose it's market
value (I am not talking about it's technical value), and the potential for an
industry wide salary drop becomes very real.

These kind of discussions, while not directly applicable on the list, are
important because they do have an effect on us all, to some degree or another.

Let's be realistic. While I genuinely enjoy the kind of work I do, and conside
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myself lucky to be able to have a career that helps to satisfy my natural
curiousity about all things technological, a big reason I'm in this business is
because aptitude can be richly rewarded. I'm greatful that the CCIE
requirements are difficult, and get moreso all the time. I never want to see
the deep end of the talent pool diluted to the point where quality network
professionals cannot command rates commesurate with their abilities and
experience.

My $.02...

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <arousch@home.com>
To: "Leonard, Chad" <CLeod@allstate.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE losing clout?

> That's why I would like Perry to either substantiate the quote by posting
> the recruiters name and company. I would stay away from the recruiter, if
> this is indeed words from his mouth.
>
> I had 0 certifications when I was making well into the 6 figures doing
> engineering. If the company is looking strictly for certifications - move on
.
>
> Anyway, this is totally off topic so I am ending my thread.
>
> -A
>
> At 12:43 PM 5/24/01 -0500, Leonard, Chad wrote:
> >I'm not going to get into specifics about salary, but I once had a
> >headhunter tell me that based on my experience (3.5 years at the time) and
> >my CCNP & CCDA certification, I probably wouldn't make more than $40-50K.
> >Needless to say, I was WAAAAAYYYYY over that number when I signed my first
> >and only offer sheet. It all comes down to whether or not you know your
> >stuff, and if you can do the job.
> >
> >The moral of the story is... headhunters don't know you, or what you can do.
> >If an employer is going to make a decision on you based on that number, you
> >probably don't want to work for that employer anyway.
> >
> >Chad
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Perry Jannette [mailto:perry.jannette@usa.net]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:26 PM
> >To: ccielab
> >Subject: OT: CCIE losing clout?
> >
> >
> >While talking with a headhunter recently he made these comments.
> >
> >"I don't really work with CCIEs over #6000 cause they're only able to get
> >about 85k cause companies know they don't have the experience. Companies
> >aren't impressed by these 6 and 7 thousand numbers, they might as well send
> >one of their CCNPs out. The 2000 and 3000 numbers are still well respected,
> >with 4000 and 5000's falling in between."
> >
> >Anyone else heard these types of comments?
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