From: Curtis Lindsay (clindsay_98@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 11 2001 - 21:56:14 GMT-3
I fully agree with you.
--- "Casassa, Nathan" <ncasassa@gnilink.net> wrote:
> I guess the only people complaining about lab swaps
> are people that are not
> ready... If you know your stuff and have prepared
> for the day, then lab
> swapping is the last thing in your mind...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Chen [mailto:wchen@iloka.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:36 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
>
>
> My point is that Dumb Bob should first ask Malice
> Alice to show him the
> confirmation email she should have gotten from the
> ccie program, just to see
> if Alice really has the date or not. If he worries
> that the email could be
> a fake, he can forward it to ccie asking for a
> confirmation. Only after
> these cautionary steps he should consider swapping
> his date with Alice on
> line, assuming there is no better way to confirm lab
> date.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@5g.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: Walter Chen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
>
>
> Walter,
> That wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make.
> The problem I was
> pointing out is if someone tries to scam someone
> else out of their date.
>
> Say Bob agrees to swap dates with Alice but Alice
> doesn't really have the
> date she claims. They get online and agree upon the
> exact moment that they
> will drop their current dates and get each others
> date. Bob drops his and
> Alice gets Bob's date. Bob tries to get what Alice
> said was her date but it
> isn't there. Alice never really had the date that
> she claimed to Bob but she
> has Bob's date now and just claims someone else must
> have snatched it before
> Bob.
>
> 5 hours later Alice in on eBay selling Bob's date ;)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> 5G Networks, Inc.
> brian@5g.net
> (925) 260-2724
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Walter Chen
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:11 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc: 'brian@5g.net'
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > We used to get a confirmation email from the lab
> coordinator for our lab
> > schedule. I guess that's sort of a proof that one
> has that date (the
> > confirmation email usually asks you to bring this
> email to the test center
> > when you go for your exam). If now we use the
> on-line system, do we get a
> > confirmation email or not? Also, even with the
> on-line system,
> > each testing
> > site should know who is scheduled for which date
> for their site.
> > So the lab
> > coordinator should be able to confirm a person's
> acclaimed lab date if one
> > fears of getting cheated out in the lab swapping
> process.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Dixon [mailto:bobdixon@mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:23 PM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > As far as I can tell, there's no way to verify the
> other person's date in
> > the system. And you are right, someone could scam
> someone else
> > out of their
> > date really easily using this approach. In
> addtion, if someone outside of
> > your lab-swap transaction happens to be online at
> the right time and gets
> > the date that you were trying to get, there's no
> way to know whether you
> > were scammed by your lab-swap partner, or whether
> someone else who was
> > online legitimately got your date. I'd say trying
> to do this swap
> > electronically is extremely risky at best.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net>
> > To: groupstudy <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > > A potential problem with swapping lab dates is
> that there
> > doesn't seem to
> > be
> > > a way of verifying the other person you are
> trying to swap with actually
> > has
> > > the date in question. I guess you could e-mail
> Cisco but that
> > is what they
> > > are trying to get away from with the new web
> based system. If you don't
> > > really know the other person you are trying to
> swap with you might
> > consider
> > > trying to verify the other persons lab date
> before dropping your date.
> > > Better safe than sorry.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong on this if there is a
> way of verifying someone
> > > actually has a certain day via the new system. I
> can't log into see for
> > > myself :(
> > >
> > > Good Luck!
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI
> #98640
> > > 5G Networks, Inc.
> > > brian@5g.net
> > > (925) 260-2724
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:46 AM
> > > > To: groupstudy
> > > > Subject: Clarification on lab swaps
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Due to the recent emails to
> ccie_ucsa@cisco.com, I wanted to
> > clarify the
> > > > date swapping issue. You can swap your lab
> dates using the
> > new system.
> > > > However, the only way to do a date swap with
> the new system is to have
>
> > > > both candidates drop their dates, and then
> book each other's dropped
> > > > date. At the time you are doing this any
> number of people could be on
> > > > line at the same time and could potentially
> book the date out
> > from under
> > > > you so you'll need to coordinate this with the
> person you're swapping
> > > > with. The likelihood that someone will be
> trying to book the
> > exact same
> > > > date at the exact same time you are is low but
> we wanted you
> > to be aware
> > > > that it is a possibility.
> > > >
> > > > The CCIE Department has always strived to
> accommodate lab candidates.
> > > > Swapping dates was one way we did this but the
> process utilized a
>
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