From: Murphy, Brennan (Brennan_Murphy@xxxxxxx)
Date: Sat May 12 2001 - 10:49:02 GMT-3
If lack of preparation was the only possible reason for
seeking a lab swap, then this position would be correct.
And the only scenario where it might be correct is if
an individual is a full time CCIE lab exam student on a schedule. As
it is, the vast majority of people pursuing this cert
are also engaged in life, ie, work, family, etc. As such,
circumstances do arise making the need for a clean method
of lab swapping not only desirable but also, and I think
most would agree, necessary.
I think I agree with others that this new online system may lend itself
to undesirable consequences....especially if some unsavory
characters were to write some Perl Scripts for example,
that could stay on line and acquire lab dates and then
sell them on ebay. The online calandering system should
include a mechanism for person to person lab swapping. That
is....*if* the CCIE program wants to be slightly more
customer service oriented....in my opinion.
We're not talking about a computer based prometric test here.
This is a major endevour requiring, in many cases, travel
from distant parts of the globe. There needs to be a workable
mechanism in place to take this into account. Are there
any other $1,250 tests out there requiring travel that don't have
a workable rescheduling policy--anyone? eg, Bar, CPA, GRE, SAT, etc?
If it is less fair for other similar tests, then Ill take
back my words and attribute them to being a spoiled
techy...
-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Lindsay
To: Casassa, Nathan; 'Walter Chen'; 'Brian Dennis'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: 5/11/01 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
I fully agree with you.
--- "Casassa, Nathan" <ncasassa@gnilink.net> wrote:
> I guess the only people complaining about lab swaps
> are people that are not
> ready... If you know your stuff and have prepared
> for the day, then lab
> swapping is the last thing in your mind...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Chen [mailto:wchen@iloka.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:36 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
>
>
> My point is that Dumb Bob should first ask Malice
> Alice to show him the
> confirmation email she should have gotten from the
> ccie program, just to see
> if Alice really has the date or not. If he worries
> that the email could be
> a fake, he can forward it to ccie asking for a
> confirmation. Only after
> these cautionary steps he should consider swapping
> his date with Alice on
> line, assuming there is no better way to confirm lab
> date.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@5g.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: Walter Chen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
>
>
> Walter,
> That wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make.
> The problem I was
> pointing out is if someone tries to scam someone
> else out of their date.
>
> Say Bob agrees to swap dates with Alice but Alice
> doesn't really have the
> date she claims. They get online and agree upon the
> exact moment that they
> will drop their current dates and get each others
> date. Bob drops his and
> Alice gets Bob's date. Bob tries to get what Alice
> said was her date but it
> isn't there. Alice never really had the date that
> she claimed to Bob but she
> has Bob's date now and just claims someone else must
> have snatched it before
> Bob.
>
> 5 hours later Alice in on eBay selling Bob's date ;)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> 5G Networks, Inc.
> brian@5g.net
> (925) 260-2724
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Walter Chen
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:11 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc: 'brian@5g.net'
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > We used to get a confirmation email from the lab
> coordinator for our lab
> > schedule. I guess that's sort of a proof that one
> has that date (the
> > confirmation email usually asks you to bring this
> email to the test center
> > when you go for your exam). If now we use the
> on-line system, do we get a
> > confirmation email or not? Also, even with the
> on-line system,
> > each testing
> > site should know who is scheduled for which date
> for their site.
> > So the lab
> > coordinator should be able to confirm a person's
> acclaimed lab date if one
> > fears of getting cheated out in the lab swapping
> process.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Dixon [mailto:bobdixon@mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:23 PM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > As far as I can tell, there's no way to verify the
> other person's date in
> > the system. And you are right, someone could scam
> someone else
> > out of their
> > date really easily using this approach. In
> addtion, if someone outside of
> > your lab-swap transaction happens to be online at
> the right time and gets
> > the date that you were trying to get, there's no
> way to know whether you
> > were scammed by your lab-swap partner, or whether
> someone else who was
> > online legitimately got your date. I'd say trying
> to do this swap
> > electronically is extremely risky at best.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net>
> > To: groupstudy <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential
> Problem)
> >
> >
> > > A potential problem with swapping lab dates is
> that there
> > doesn't seem to
> > be
> > > a way of verifying the other person you are
> trying to swap with actually
> > has
> > > the date in question. I guess you could e-mail
> Cisco but that
> > is what they
> > > are trying to get away from with the new web
> based system. If you don't
> > > really know the other person you are trying to
> swap with you might
> > consider
> > > trying to verify the other persons lab date
> before dropping your date.
> > > Better safe than sorry.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong on this if there is a
> way of verifying someone
> > > actually has a certain day via the new system. I
> can't log into see for
> > > myself :(
> > >
> > > Good Luck!
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI
> #98640
> > > 5G Networks, Inc.
> > > brian@5g.net
> > > (925) 260-2724
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:46 AM
> > > > To: groupstudy
> > > > Subject: Clarification on lab swaps
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Due to the recent emails to
> ccie_ucsa@cisco.com, I wanted to
> > clarify the
> > > > date swapping issue. You can swap your lab
> dates using the
> > new system.
> > > > However, the only way to do a date swap with
> the new system is to have
>
> > > > both candidates drop their dates, and then
> book each other's dropped
> > > > date. At the time you are doing this any
> number of people could be on
> > > > line at the same time and could potentially
> book the date out
> > from under
> > > > you so you'll need to coordinate this with the
> person you're swapping
> > > > with. The likelihood that someone will be
> trying to book the
> > exact same
> > > > date at the exact same time you are is low but
> we wanted you
> > to be aware
> > > > that it is a possibility.
> > > >
> > > > The CCIE Department has always strived to
> accommodate lab candidates.
> > > > Swapping dates was one way we did this but the
> process utilized a
>
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