From: Roderick Ta (rta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 11 2001 - 18:09:44 GMT-3
I think it has to do with precise dates, instead of whatever
if I was to drop my dates. For example, if I want to swap my
June dates for October dates (because my schedules around
projects only allowed me to). If I was to drop the June dates
and only then saw May, September, and November dates. That
would be bumper. I would miss the requirement that I take a
lab within 12 months. Now I have to take the written exam again.
And started from scratch with lab scheduling. :( :( :(
Roderick Ta
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:DennisL@advancedbionics.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:42 PM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: RE: NO MORE LAB SWAPS?!?!? TIME FOR A REVOLT!
Importance: Low
Following this thread a bit today. It sounds like openings are already
appearing for people to get lab days in the SAME WEEK. Maybe I'm missing
something, but at first glance this seems more convenient then finding a
partner to trade with. Are you sure this isn't a kind of panic reaction to
change?
--- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dirar Hakeem [mailto:dirarhakeem@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:28 PM
To: Troy Rader; Scott Young; Pete Kowalsky; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc: ccie_ucsa@cisco.com; sfair@cisco.com; gdean@cisco.com
Subject: Re: NO MORE LAB SWAPS?!?!? TIME FOR A REVOLT!
Cisco asks everybody "are you ready", but they don't
seem to be ready themselves. I'm not a Database
expert, but I can't imagine it's so hard to include
some sort of functionality where the two candidates
can exchange some password or key, and the transaction
would complete when both sides provide that key. I
guess with an average of $2500 or $3750 per candidate,
this the least we should expect for a technology
leader. I guess it is time for a revolt!!
--- Troy Rader <troy@onenet.net> wrote:
> Someone else has already posted something similar,
> but with all the traffic,
> it is worth posting more than once.
>
> This is from Melody @ RTP, just now:
>
> "You can swap your lab dates using the new system.
> However, the only way to
> do a date swap with the new system is to have one
> person drop their date
> first so the second person can schedule it. Then the
> first person can take
> the opening left where the second person was
> scheduled. At the time you are
> doing this any number of people could be on line at
> the same time and could
> book the date out from under you so you'll need to
> coordinate this with the
> person you're swapping with.
>
> One of the benefits of this new system is that
> cancellations on the calendar
> are visible to everyone and can be booked on a first
> come, first serve
> basis."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Young" <syoung@pei.com>
> To: "Pete Kowalsky" <pkowalsky@evolvesoft.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Cc: <ccie_ucsa@cisco.com>; <sfair@cisco.com>;
> <gdean@cisco.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: NO MORE LAB SWAPS?!?!? TIME FOR A
> REVOLT!
>
>
> > I hope this is not true. If so it is total
> insanity. With the backlog
> > being so long between lab attempts, it is very
> difficult to set a date six
> > or seven months in the future and be able to keep
> that date no matter
> what.
> > Lab swaps give individuals who are really ready to
> take the test again the
> > opportunity to do so much quicker. In addition,
> the swapping process
> > actually helps Cisco keep a full testing room.
> >
> > If there is no swapping and a person cancels 30
> days before their test,
> how
> > is Cisco going to fill that slot? I would think
> that it would be more
> > difficult to manually find a replacement rather
> than process a request
> where
> > the individuals involved have already done the leg
> work.
> >
> > I was fortunate enough last week to get a lab swap
> for my next attempt
> after
> > coming very close to passing. If I had not gotten
> this swap, I would be
> > taking the test less than two months after my wife
> and I have our second
> > child. I would much rather spend that time
> getting to know my new son
> > rather than studying for this infuriating test.
> >
> > I hope Cisco revises this no-swap policy until
> they have a chance to add
> the
> > correct functionality to their new application.
> >
> > SY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henson, Charles
> [mailto:CHenson@neteffectcorp.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:38 AM
> > To: Pete Kowalsky; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc: ccie_ucsa@cisco.com; sfair@cisco.com;
> gdean@cisco.com
> > Subject: RE: NO MORE LAB SWAPS?!?!? TIME FOR A
> REVOLT!
> >
> >
> > Pete,
> > I agree wholeheartedly and I'm trying to
> address this with Melody Green
> > also. I can't believe Cisco would do this. I hope
> everyone listens and
> pays
> > attention to this.
> >
> > Charles Henson
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pete Kowalsky
> [mailto:pkowalsky@evolvesoft.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:22 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc: ccie_ucsa@cisco.com; sfair@cisco.com;
> gdean@cisco.com
> > Subject: NO MORE LAB SWAPS?!?!? TIME FOR A REVOLT!
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I just got off the telephone with Shannon Fair
> at Cisco regarding my
> lab
> > swap I'm trying to work with a candidate that has
> a date that will work
> > better for me and vice versa. I believe Shannon
> was as helpful as she
> could
> > be. Cisco has indicated to me that since their
> online scheduling system
> has
> > gone into effect at 12:00AM this morning there
> will no longer be any real
> > possibilty of lab swaps. The scheduling system
> does NOT allow for it.
> The
> > person who is the manager of Customer Service for
> the CCIE is Gail Dean.
> > Shannon was understandably not allowed to give me
> Gail's telephone number
> so
> > I could plead my case directly. Shannon's email
> is sfair@cisco.com. I
> > would imagine that Gail's email is gdean@cisco.com
> .
> >
> > I would encourage that all current CCIE Lab
> candidates who are pissed
> > off and inconvenienced by this change to call and
> email their respective
> lab
> > location's administrators and voice their
> opinions. Swamp them with
> email,
> > and phone calls, if you have to. Email to
> ccie_ucsa@cisco.com goes to
> CCIE
> > program management, so you WILL be heard.
> >
> > Where is the real value of having the
> scheduling online if we're not
> > allowed to exchange specific dates with other
> candidates for dates that
> work
> > better for us both? I refuse to believe that
> there is no one at Cisco who
> > can manually swap dates for a candidate, which is
> what I was told. I had
> a
> > date for June 10-11 that will not work for me due
> to my job
> > responsibilities, and now I have to wait until for
> an opening in December
> or
> > January for RTP, as opposed to the August date
> that I would have been able
> > to swap for? Come on, Cisco. This is the 21st
> century, and I know we can
> > come up with some solution that will not anger the
> very people who drive
> > more product sales and put forth Cisco's best
> professional services
> "foot".
> > Right now, I'd like to put my foot somewhere else;
> and NO, I don't mean my
> > mouth.
> >
> > Cisco, please take note that you are causing
> candidates serious
> > headaches by not facilitating date swaps any more.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> > Pete Kowalsky
> > **Please
> read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> > **Please
> read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> >
>
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