From: Roderick Ta (rta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 11 2001 - 18:04:20 GMT-3
-----Original Message-----
From: Ta, Roderick [TYSN:4534:EXCH]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:05 PM
To: 'Walter Chen'
Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
I think CCIE managements wanted to get out of dealing
with candidates details, especially with lab swap. They
would surely hate to confirm the valid dates for this
purpose - it's back to manage lab swap manually again.
Roderick Ta
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Chen [mailto:wchen@iloka.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:36 PM
To: 'Brian Dennis'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
Importance: Low
My point is that Dumb Bob should first ask Malice Alice to show him the
confirmation email she should have gotten from the ccie program, just to see
if Alice really has the date or not. If he worries that the email could be
a fake, he can forward it to ccie asking for a confirmation. Only after
these cautionary steps he should consider swapping his date with Alice on
line, assuming there is no better way to confirm lab date.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@5g.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:56 PM
To: Walter Chen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
Walter,
That wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make. The problem I was
pointing out is if someone tries to scam someone else out of their date.
Say Bob agrees to swap dates with Alice but Alice doesn't really have the
date she claims. They get online and agree upon the exact moment that they
will drop their current dates and get each others date. Bob drops his and
Alice gets Bob's date. Bob tries to get what Alice said was her date but it
isn't there. Alice never really had the date that she claimed to Bob but she
has Bob's date now and just claims someone else must have snatched it before
Bob.
5 hours later Alice in on eBay selling Bob's date ;)
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
5G Networks, Inc.
brian@5g.net
(925) 260-2724
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Walter Chen
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:11 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Cc: 'brian@5g.net'
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
>
>
> We used to get a confirmation email from the lab coordinator for our lab
> schedule. I guess that's sort of a proof that one has that date (the
> confirmation email usually asks you to bring this email to the test center
> when you go for your exam). If now we use the on-line system, do we get a
> confirmation email or not? Also, even with the on-line system,
> each testing
> site should know who is scheduled for which date for their site.
> So the lab
> coordinator should be able to confirm a person's acclaimed lab date if one
> fears of getting cheated out in the lab swapping process.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Dixon [mailto:bobdixon@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:23 PM
> To: Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
>
>
> As far as I can tell, there's no way to verify the other person's date in
> the system. And you are right, someone could scam someone else
> out of their
> date really easily using this approach. In addtion, if someone outside of
> your lab-swap transaction happens to be online at the right time and gets
> the date that you were trying to get, there's no way to know whether you
> were scammed by your lab-swap partner, or whether someone else who was
> online legitimately got your date. I'd say trying to do this swap
> electronically is extremely risky at best.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net>
> To: groupstudy <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
>
>
> > A potential problem with swapping lab dates is that there
> doesn't seem to
> be
> > a way of verifying the other person you are trying to swap with actually
> has
> > the date in question. I guess you could e-mail Cisco but that
> is what they
> > are trying to get away from with the new web based system. If you don't
> > really know the other person you are trying to swap with you might
> consider
> > trying to verify the other persons lab date before dropping your date.
> > Better safe than sorry.
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong on this if there is a way of verifying someone
> > actually has a certain day via the new system. I can't log into see for
> > myself :(
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> > 5G Networks, Inc.
> > brian@5g.net
> > (925) 260-2724
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:46 AM
> > > To: groupstudy
> > > Subject: Clarification on lab swaps
> > >
> > >
> > > Due to the recent emails to ccie_ucsa@cisco.com, I wanted to
> clarify the
> > > date swapping issue. You can swap your lab dates using the
> new system.
> > > However, the only way to do a date swap with the new system is to have
> > > both candidates drop their dates, and then book each other's dropped
> > > date. At the time you are doing this any number of people could be on
> > > line at the same time and could potentially book the date out
> from under
> > > you so you'll need to coordinate this with the person you're swapping
> > > with. The likelihood that someone will be trying to book the
> exact same
> > > date at the exact same time you are is low but we wanted you
> to be aware
> > > that it is a possibility.
> > >
> > > The CCIE Department has always strived to accommodate lab candidates.
> > > Swapping dates was one way we did this but the process utilized a
> > > tremendous amount of administrative time. One of the benefits of this
> > > new system is that cancellations on the calendar are visible to all
> > > candidates and can be booked on a first come, first serve basis. We
> > > believe this feature will enable many candidates to find the
> dates that
> > > they are looking for. You'll also be able to schedule a lab date at
> > > your convenience (24) hours a day, (7) days a week without having to
> > > wait for a coordinator to call you/email you back.
> > >
> > > We know there may be a few "bugs" to work out with the new system but
> > > the end result we are striving for is to provide lab candidates with a
> > > more efficient way to schedule their lab dates. We appreciate your
> > > patience during this transition.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > Manager, Customer Service
> > > CCIE Program
> > > http://www.cisco.com/go/ccie/
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