From: Martin, Chris (chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 11 2001 - 17:54:01 GMT-3
This is all starting to sounds like Jerry Springer....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Chen" <wchen@iloka.com>
To: "'Brian Dennis'" <brian@5g.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
> My point is that Dumb Bob should first ask Malice Alice to show him the
> confirmation email she should have gotten from the ccie program, just to
see
> if Alice really has the date or not. If he worries that the email could
be
> a fake, he can forward it to ccie asking for a confirmation. Only after
> these cautionary steps he should consider swapping his date with Alice on
> line, assuming there is no better way to confirm lab date.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@5g.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: Walter Chen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
>
>
> Walter,
> That wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make. The problem I was
> pointing out is if someone tries to scam someone else out of their date.
>
> Say Bob agrees to swap dates with Alice but Alice doesn't really have the
> date she claims. They get online and agree upon the exact moment that they
> will drop their current dates and get each others date. Bob drops his and
> Alice gets Bob's date. Bob tries to get what Alice said was her date but
it
> isn't there. Alice never really had the date that she claimed to Bob but
she
> has Bob's date now and just claims someone else must have snatched it
before
> Bob.
>
> 5 hours later Alice in on eBay selling Bob's date ;)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> 5G Networks, Inc.
> brian@5g.net
> (925) 260-2724
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Walter Chen
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:11 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Cc: 'brian@5g.net'
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
> >
> >
> > We used to get a confirmation email from the lab coordinator for our lab
> > schedule. I guess that's sort of a proof that one has that date (the
> > confirmation email usually asks you to bring this email to the test
center
> > when you go for your exam). If now we use the on-line system, do we get
a
> > confirmation email or not? Also, even with the on-line system,
> > each testing
> > site should know who is scheduled for which date for their site.
> > So the lab
> > coordinator should be able to confirm a person's acclaimed lab date if
one
> > fears of getting cheated out in the lab swapping process.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Dixon [mailto:bobdixon@mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:23 PM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
> >
> >
> > As far as I can tell, there's no way to verify the other person's date
in
> > the system. And you are right, someone could scam someone else
> > out of their
> > date really easily using this approach. In addtion, if someone outside
of
> > your lab-swap transaction happens to be online at the right time and
gets
> > the date that you were trying to get, there's no way to know whether you
> > were scammed by your lab-swap partner, or whether someone else who was
> > online legitimately got your date. I'd say trying to do this swap
> > electronically is extremely risky at best.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net>
> > To: groupstudy <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: Clarification on lab swaps (Potential Problem)
> >
> >
> > > A potential problem with swapping lab dates is that there
> > doesn't seem to
> > be
> > > a way of verifying the other person you are trying to swap with
actually
> > has
> > > the date in question. I guess you could e-mail Cisco but that
> > is what they
> > > are trying to get away from with the new web based system. If you
don't
> > > really know the other person you are trying to swap with you might
> > consider
> > > trying to verify the other persons lab date before dropping your date.
> > > Better safe than sorry.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong on this if there is a way of verifying someone
> > > actually has a certain day via the new system. I can't log into see
for
> > > myself :(
> > >
> > > Good Luck!
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640
> > > 5G Networks, Inc.
> > > brian@5g.net
> > > (925) 260-2724
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf
Of
> > > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:46 AM
> > > > To: groupstudy
> > > > Subject: Clarification on lab swaps
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Due to the recent emails to ccie_ucsa@cisco.com, I wanted to
> > clarify the
> > > > date swapping issue. You can swap your lab dates using the
> > new system.
> > > > However, the only way to do a date swap with the new system is to
have
>
> > > > both candidates drop their dates, and then book each other's dropped
> > > > date. At the time you are doing this any number of people could be
on
> > > > line at the same time and could potentially book the date out
> > from under
> > > > you so you'll need to coordinate this with the person you're
swapping
> > > > with. The likelihood that someone will be trying to book the
> > exact same
> > > > date at the exact same time you are is low but we wanted you
> > to be aware
> > > > that it is a possibility.
> > > >
> > > > The CCIE Department has always strived to accommodate lab
candidates.
> > > > Swapping dates was one way we did this but the process utilized a
> > > > tremendous amount of administrative time. One of the benefits of
this
> > > > new system is that cancellations on the calendar are visible to all
> > > > candidates and can be booked on a first come, first serve basis. We
> > > > believe this feature will enable many candidates to find the
> > dates that
> > > > they are looking for. You'll also be able to schedule a lab date at
> > > > your convenience (24) hours a day, (7) days a week without having to
> > > > wait for a coordinator to call you/email you back.
> > > >
> > > > We know there may be a few "bugs" to work out with the new system
but
> > > > the end result we are striving for is to provide lab candidates with
a
> > > > more efficient way to schedule their lab dates. We appreciate your
> > > > patience during this transition.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Enid Sorkowitz
> > > > Manager, Customer Service
> > > > CCIE Program
> > > > http://www.cisco.com/go/ccie/
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