From: Pat Bodin (pbodin@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Apr 29 2001 - 09:45:03 GMT-3
Agreed. I believe we should be very careful in our interpretation of what
is difficult and what is simple. We should also limit (personal email
filter) the OT questions, but thats not Paul's job.
I for one have been extremely pleased with this site and the great
explanations. Hopefully, I'll be writing one of those #73xx emails this
week. I take the LAB on Thursday/Friday.
Paul, thank you for giving us a forum to communicate the difficult and
not-so-difficult issues of the LAB. btw, you also teach a mean OSPF and BGP
class :-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Peter Van Oene
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:24 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Is this list moderated or not?
I personally think that even the most simple technologies can carry deep
complexities and in many cases, seemingly simple questions may mask those
deep complexities. Certainly how to turn up OSPF on a router does not fit
that mix, but many other questions might. I think that if screening is to
be done, it must be in form of admissions control to ensure that the
membership are focused on providing insight or developing knowledge related
to the CCIE Lab. However, many valuable members of this list have no intent
on writing the LAB exam and I don't believe we should eliminate them. Many
of the most technically sound people I have met have never spent the time
nor deemed it necessary to sit the lab, yet their insight is very
beneficial.
However, Paul is a busy enough guy and likely doesn't have time to weed
through numerous applications and provide any type of involved admissions
control so it's likely going to come down to Darwinism of sorts :) If you
think a question is too basic, don't answer it. Or, provide an in depth
answer developing some more advanced concepts that are more relevant.
Pete
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On 4/29/2001 at 3:25 PM Louise kouncar wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>I don't mind helping in fixing this issue, I think that a posting earlier
>has suggested that people e-mail the lab conformation when they subscribe,
>another think I think will help, When someone ask a question that does not
>fit, no one should answer the question and whoever asked it should be
>eliminated from the list.
>
>Other thoughts?????????
>
>
>
>
>Louie J. Kouncar
>TCO3 Senior Data Center Engineer
>UUNET
>W-703-343-6645
>C-703-304-2460
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>Chuck Larrieu
>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:12 PM
>To: louie kouncar; 'Andrew'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: Is this list moderated or not?
>
>
>Good idea, but time consuming. Are you volunteering to do the work?
>
>May I suggest that passing the written is perhaps no longer indicative of
>as
>much as it may have been in the past. There are far too may practice
>tests,
>xxBrain-xx-Dumps_xx, and cheats available now. Memorize answers from a few
>hundred sample questions, take the written, and get lucky. This is most
>unfortunate.
>
>It remains true that the lab is the killer, the thing that separates the
>players from the pretenders.
>
>In any case, remember that Paul runs this forum in his spare time. He
>doesn't make a dime on it Ideas are wonderful. The problem is the time,
>effort, and money to execute them.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>louie kouncar
>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 5:36 AM
>To: 'Andrew'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: Is this list moderated or not?
>
>All,
> I do believe that Andrew is extremely correct with the issue he brought
>up,
>I have seen some questions that are not even a CCNA type questions, people
>who are asking questions like what is OSPF? well that is not a true
>question
>but I will use it so I don't insult anyone, a suggestion to the list
>moderator is when people ask to join the list have them fax or e-mail a
>copy
>of the CCIE written exam cert, I think that will help a lot.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>Louie J. Kouncar
>TCO3 Senior Data Center Engineer
>UUNET
>W-703-343-6645
>C-703-304-2460
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>Andrew
>Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 2:31 PM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Is this list moderated or not?
>
>
>It may just be me but there is an increasing number of fundamentals level
>questions and OT questions infiltrating this list.
>
>If memory serves me correctly this list is for people who have PASSED the
>CCIE written and HAVE a pending lab date in the near future.
>
>Lately I have seen an increasing number of total newbie questions that
>would indicate a fundamental lack or level of knowledge needed to
>participate in a CCIE LAB prep type list (much less the CCIE Lab itself.)
>
>As more and more (unscreened) people join the list the mean level of
>knowledge is dropping and I believe it is from poor screening.
>
>Am I wrong on this? Am I just imagining this trend?
>
>And, for the love of GOD please don't draw this posting out into a 400
>message thread. A simple private acknowledgement (or discard) to my
>concern (either way) is fine. No need to blast the list with 1000 emails.
>
>-A
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