From: Peter Rybaczyk (psrsam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Apr 30 2001 - 10:25:01 GMT-3
Louie,
After being an instructor for about 10 years there are two things I've learned:
1. how to be humble before the audiance and expect any question
2. that there are no stupid questions, but there can be stupid answers
Here are my suggestions:
1. Let's not intimidate and publicly humiliate people for asking questions that
some of us consider "below" the list level
2. Everyone has a choice not to answer, i.e., ignore the post, as you are
suggesting
3. Those who feel a tingling of compassion in their hearts for the poor ignoran
t
souls who are asking such "dumb" questions may consider answering off line,
directly to the person, if they feel that their answer will not benefit anyone
else.
Rather than imposing rules on what can and can not be asked, let's all exercise
prudence in how questions are answered.
In the classroom, there are several techinques for dealing with this issue. You
can say: Can I take this off line with you? Can you see me during the break
about it? Would you mind waiting until after class with this one? Why don't we
talk about it over lunch?, etc.
I for one am self-taught and as such have packets of expertise and even bigger
packets of ignorance about topics that show up in the posts. But I am very
grateful that someone, Paul, has faciliated the list becasue I've already
benefited from it, even after being on it for only a couple months. And correct
answers to even some very basic questions can bring whole areas of understandin
g
into focus for a lot of folks.
Anyway, we could talk about learning and group interactions till the cows come
home. There is not need to go on. Hopefully my points are taken in the spirit
that they are intended.
Best regards to all,
Peter Rybaczyk
Global InterNetworking Services, Inc.
www.globalins.com
Tel: (406)-582-1264
CCNA, CCNP, CCSI #22945
120 days left till 1st attempt
louie kouncar wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> I don't mind helping in fixing this issue, I think that a posting earlier
> has suggested that people e-mail the lab conformation when they subscribe,
> another think I think will help, When someone ask a question that does not
> fit, no one should answer the question and whoever asked it should be
> eliminated from the list.
>
> Other thoughts?????????
>
> Louie J. Kouncar
> TCO3 Senior Data Center Engineer
> UUNET
> W-703-343-6645
> C-703-304-2460
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Chuck Larrieu
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:12 PM
> To: louie kouncar; 'Andrew'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Is this list moderated or not?
>
> Good idea, but time consuming. Are you volunteering to do the work?
>
> May I suggest that passing the written is perhaps no longer indicative of as
> much as it may have been in the past. There are far too may practice tests,
> xxBrain-xx-Dumps_xx, and cheats available now. Memorize answers from a few
> hundred sample questions, take the written, and get lucky. This is most
> unfortunate.
>
> It remains true that the lab is the killer, the thing that separates the
> players from the pretenders.
>
> In any case, remember that Paul runs this forum in his spare time. He
> doesn't make a dime on it Ideas are wonderful. The problem is the time,
> effort, and money to execute them.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> louie kouncar
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 5:36 AM
> To: 'Andrew'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Is this list moderated or not?
>
> All,
> I do believe that Andrew is extremely correct with the issue he brought up,
> I have seen some questions that are not even a CCNA type questions, people
> who are asking questions like what is OSPF? well that is not a true question
> but I will use it so I don't insult anyone, a suggestion to the list
> moderator is when people ask to join the list have them fax or e-mail a copy
> of the CCIE written exam cert, I think that will help a lot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Louie J. Kouncar
> TCO3 Senior Data Center Engineer
> UUNET
> W-703-343-6645
> C-703-304-2460
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Andrew
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 2:31 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Is this list moderated or not?
>
> It may just be me but there is an increasing number of fundamentals level
> questions and OT questions infiltrating this list.
>
> If memory serves me correctly this list is for people who have PASSED the
> CCIE written and HAVE a pending lab date in the near future.
>
> Lately I have seen an increasing number of total newbie questions that
> would indicate a fundamental lack or level of knowledge needed to
> participate in a CCIE LAB prep type list (much less the CCIE Lab itself.)
>
> As more and more (unscreened) people join the list the mean level of
> knowledge is dropping and I believe it is from poor screening.
>
> Am I wrong on this? Am I just imagining this trend?
>
> And, for the love of GOD please don't draw this posting out into a 400
> message thread. A simple private acknowledgement (or discard) to my
> concern (either way) is fine. No need to blast the list with 1000 emails.
>
> -A
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