From: Mask Of Zorro (ciscokid00@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Apr 19 2001 - 15:25:00 GMT-3
Obviously there is a solution to this, but before we go into that, I have a
question:
Do you intend to use peer-to-peer networking services among your Windows
clients? The origninal post indicates that these systems are clients of
Netware 5 servers. The question is, why browse the clients at all? If there
will not be any client-to-client file or printer sharing, then all you
should really need to see are the Netware servers.
Quite frankly, in a Netware environment, there is really not much sense to
running peer-to-peer Microsoft networking. If you need to share files or
devices among small logical groups of clients, you'd be better off doing it
with the Netware servers and services. You get much greater flexibility in
terms of security and administration that way. I can't see any justification
for Microsoft networking in a stricly Netware environment. If you add NT
servers, then things start to change, but without them, there just isn't any
point.
If you are not running peer-to-peer connectivity, then you'd be better off
disabling File and Printer Sharing and making all your clients disappear
from Network Neighborhood.
Z
>From: "Ken Yeo" <kenyeo@on-linecorp.com>
>Reply-To: "Ken Yeo" <kenyeo@on-linecorp.com>
>To: "Pickell, Aaryn" <Aaryn.Pickell@getronics.com>, "'Vijay
>Venkatesh'" <vijay.venkatesh@usa.net>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Re: [Network Neighborhood - Multiple Subnets - Workgroup only -
>No Domain.]
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:51:04 -0500
>
>Since there is not NT server available, NT domain is not an option.
>Another thought is install NETBEUI on all workstations and bridge NETBEUI
>traffice across the serial link and route IP. But as you said, it is not a
>good design because it forwards broadcasts across the serial link.
>
>Attached is the ip helper portion of the config, it is not working. Any
>ideas?
>
>R1:
>interface Ethernet0/0
>
>ip address 172.30.1.1 255.255.255.0
>
>ip helper-address 172.16.0.9
>
>ip helper-address 172.30.0.255
>
>no ip directed-broadcast
>
>ipx helper-address 1000.0000.f4af.003c
>
>ipx network 2502C01
>
>
>
>R2:
>
>interface FastEthernet1/0
>
>ip address 172.30.0.1 255.255.255.0
>
>ip helper-address 172.16.0.9
>
>ip helper-address 172.30.1.255
>
>no ip directed-broadcast
>
>duplex auto
>
>speed 10
>
>ipx helper-address 1000.0000.f4af.003c
>
>ipx network 2501C01
>
>!
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pickell, Aaryn" <Aaryn.Pickell@getronics.com>
>To: "'Vijay Venkatesh'" <vijay.venkatesh@usa.net>; "Ken Yeo"
><kenyeo@on-linecorp.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:30 PM
>Subject: RE: [Network Neighborhood - Multiple Subnets - Workgroup only - No
>Domain.]
>
>
> > As far as getting all routers to see each other in Network Neighborhood,
> > using ip helper-address is the cisco-centric fix. Per Microsoft, the
>fix
>is
> > to use a domain model instead of a workgroup model.
> >
> > Ip helper was meant to forward UDP broadcasts, including but not limited
>to
> > bootp. By default, there are a bunch of ports that will be forwarded
>(tftp,
> > netbios, bootp, etc.), and you can add more ports (or remove existing
>ports)
> > to the list with the ip forward-protocol command.
> >
> > By using this for windows browsing, though... you're going to consume a
>lot
> > of your WAN bandwidth, because all windows netbios traffic is going to
>be
> > forwarded in all directions, not just the master browser elections.
> >
> > Ken, what you wrote should have worked. The theory is sound, anyway.
>If
> > you forward me your configs, maybe we can figure out what was missing.
> >
> > Aaryn Pickell - CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > Senior Engineer - Routing Protocols
> > Getronics Inc.
> > Direct: 713-394-1609
> > Email:aaryn.pickell@getronics.com
> >
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vijay Venkatesh [mailto:vijay.venkatesh@usa.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:01 PM
> > > To: Ken Yeo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Network Neighborhood - Multiple Subnets -
> > > Workgroup only -
> > > No Domain.]
> > >
> > >
> > > Old issue -
> > > see the archives -
> > >
> > > Solution: Use WINS
> > > ip helpers are for DHCP only. read up on the standards doc.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Vijay.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ken Yeo" <kenyeo@on-linecorp.com> wrote:
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > 4 subnets seperated by Cisco routers. Running Netware 5.1
> > > servers in all
> > > > location. No NT servers. All windows 95 workstations in all
> > > branches are
> > > setup
> > > > with the same workgroup name, WORKGROUP. All workstations
> > > use the same WINS
> > > > server. Netbios name resolution to IP is fine.
> > > >
> > > > How need to be done so that if I open network neighborhood,
> > > I can see all
> > > > Windows 95 workstations in all locations?
> > > >
> > > > Here is my understanding:
> > > >
> > > > Browser election will occur in each subnet and one of the Windows 95
> > > > workstations will become master browser for the WORKGROUP
> > > on the local
> > > > subnet.
> > > >
> > > > Since browser elections are broadcast, the are blocked by
> > > router and thus
> > > each
> > > > master browser does not know about other master browsers in
> > > all other
> > > subnets.
> > > > So we can only see local workstations in network neighborhood.
> > > >
> > > > So I tried these:
> > > >
> > > > Enable ip helpder-address 172.16.1.255 (LAN masks are
> > > 24-bit)in all LAN
> > > > interfaces and point to each other. I hope that ip
> > > helper-address will
> > > forward
> > > > netbios broadcast to all subnets and trick the workstations
> > > there is only
> > > one
> > > > network. So only one master browser instead of four master
> > > browsers were
> > > > elected. But it does not work and workstations from another
> > > subnets will
> > > not
> > > > showing in network neighborhood.
> > > >
> > > > I have not tried browstat.exe yet..
> > > >
> > > > What do you think? Please advice,
> > > > Ken
> > > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
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