From: Rex Dayes (rex@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Apr 07 2001 - 16:56:38 GMT-3
Tariq,
You are right, if you hosts to leave the classful network they are on, then
an additional "route add 0.0.0.0 mask 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x persistant" (where
x.x.x.x is the host interface address) is necessary.
If you want give your hosts access to their entire classful network number
only, then omit the route add statement.
Rex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tariq Sharif" <tariq_sharif@btinternet.com>
To: "Rex Dayes" <rex@dayes.com>; "tom cheung" <tkc9789@hotmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: Proxy ARP
> Rex
>
> Referring to your comment "With Windows Clients, if I entered the default
> classful mask for the
> network (255.0.0.0 classA, 255.255.0.0 classB, 255.255.255.0 classC) and
> left the the default-gateway blank, the hosts on that segment then arped
> out before starting their sessions."
>
>
> I can't see this working with NT 4 or Win 95 UNLESS I assign the PCs own
> address as its default gateway. Can you please expand on your comments.
>
> Many thanks & regards.
>
> Tariq Sharif
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Rex Dayes
> Sent: 07 April 2001 20:13
> To: tom cheung; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Proxy ARP
>
>
> I have found proxy arp useful when I have had multiple routers on the same
> segment, and not wanted to point the hosts on that segment to a specific
> default gateway or not use an HSRP type protocol.
>
> With Windows Clients, if I entered the default classful mask for the
> network (255.0.0.0 classA, 255.255.0.0 classB, 255.255.255.0 classC) and
> left the the default-gateway blank, the hosts on that segment then arped
> out before starting their sessions. Both my Cisco and Marconi ATM
switches
> with routers proxy by default and answered up to these arp requests.
>
> Some installations I have found turn off this default to prevent proxy-arp
> for to force their users to use a particular default-gateway.
>
> Rex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom cheung" <tkc9789@hotmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Proxy ARP
>
>
> > What about IRDP? How would one set up a Windows client without a default
> > gateway and take advantage of IRDP?
> >
> >
> > >From: "Pickell, Aaryn" <Aaryn.Pickell@getronics.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Pickell, Aaryn" <Aaryn.Pickell@getronics.com>
> > >To: "'Bowen, Shawn'" <sbowen@neteffectcorp.com>, Tariq Sharif
> > ><tariq_sharif@btinternet.com>, "Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com"
> > ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: RE: Proxy ARP
> > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:23:05 -0400
> > >
> > >Proxy arp is also useful when you have your subnet masks misconfigured.
> > >Say, for example, the router has two /24 segments attached. If there
is
> a
> > >host configured with a /23 instead, it will try arping for addresses
> which
> > >are not actually directly connected. The router will respond with its
> own
> > >MAC and then forward the traffic.
> > >
> > >They use this in access servers as well. Assume a large modem bank on
an
> > >AS5300, with a bunch of users dialing in. Each of these users is given
> an
> > >address from the segment that's attached to the ethernet segment. When
> > >hosts actually on that ethernet wish to talk to the dial-in users, they
> > >believe them to be directly connected, so they arp. The AS5300 will
> > >respond
> > >with its own MAC and forward the packets correctly.
> > >
> > >Aaryn Pickell - CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > >Senior Engineer - Routing Protocols
> > >Getronics Inc.
> > >Direct: 713-394-1609
> > >Email:aaryn.pickell@getronics.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bowen, Shawn [mailto:sbowen@neteffectcorp.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:50 PM
> > > > To: Tariq Sharif; Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> > > > Subject: RE: Proxy ARP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With Microsoft clients there is a way to "Set all segments as
> > > > local" so to
> > > > speak, I forget how off the top of my head but this will work
> > > > as well. Now
> > > > as to proxy ARP, the workstation, be it Unix or Microsoft looks at
the
> > > > destination IP and compares it's own IP and MASK to see if it
> > > > is local, if
> > > > it is then it will be encapsulated in an Ethernet (or whatever other
> > > > topology you are using) frame and then put on the wire, if
> > > > the destination
> > > > network is on a different segment then your machine will not
> > > > know what to do
> > > > with it unless there is a default gateway setup (or you set
> > > > "all subnets
> > > > local"). This is why you are seeing this; it is perfectly
> > > > normal in the
> > > > Unix, Novell, and Windows world.
> > > >
> > > > As another example. With a Microsoft dial-up
> > > > networking setup you
> > > > set it to obtain it's address automatically, sometime do a
> > > > "winipcfg" on
> > > > 95/98 or an ipconfig /all in NT and check out your IP and
> > > > Default gateway,
> > > > they will normally be the same, this is because the ISP is
> > > > doing proxy arp
> > > > and the machine then knows to send ALL traffic to the
> > > > interface as local
> > > > traffic, the router will deal with the rest.
> > > >
> > > > Shawn
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Tariq Sharif [mailto:tariq_sharif@btinternet.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:31 PM
> > > > To: Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> > > > Subject: Proxy ARP
> > > >
> > > > In Doyle's TCP/IP book (page 69-70) & in other text there is
> > > > about Proxy
> > > > ARP. Says that hosts without any default gateway can be issue
> > > > ARP & LAN
> > > > router (knowing where the destination is) will issue PROXY
> > > > ARP reply. So the
> > > > local host (without default gateway) can reach remote hosts.
> > > > I can't see
> > > > this working with NT 4 or Win 95 unless I assign the PCs own
> > > > address as its
> > > > default gateway. My question is, do Unix clients behave the same as
> > > > Microsoft clients? If so, what am I missing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks & regards.
> > > >
> > > > Tariq Sharif
> > > >
> > > > [demime 0.98b removed an attachment of type
> > > > application/ms-tnef which had a
> > > > name of winmail.dat]
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