From: Bob Chahal (bob.chahal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Feb 23 2001 - 16:36:11 GMT-3
Yea, but if it's a new setup how do you know what the possible layer 1/2
network should be if you don't have any reference. It's like saying here's
8 routers and a switch with screwed logical addressing and all sorts of
other problems, now make it work like the network it should be but you have
never seen. Am I missing something here?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ron.Fuller@3x.com>
To: "David Ankers" <d.ankers@chello.nl>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <nobody@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: A story of woe.
>
> David,
> When I took my lab in Halifax last April, the TS sesction was a
> totally new network. Different layer 1,2 and 3. I was under the
> impression that this was going to become the standard TS setup for all of
> the labs. My docs from Day 1 and Day 2 AM couldn't help me if I wanted
> them to. I also had attempted the lab before so I never made it to TS
> before. It was a REAL bear to get the new network working properly. :)
> The best methodology for TS on the lab is the same as any troubleshooting
> in the real world. Start at layer 1 and work your way up. Once you get
> the network cabled properly and then your layer 2 working, layer 3 should
> fall into place.
>
> Good luck next time.
> Ron Fuller, CCIE #5851, CCDP, CCNP-ATM, CCNP-Security, CCNP-Voice, MCNE
> 3X Corporation
> rfuller@3x.com
>
>
>
> David Ankers
> <d.ankers@che To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> llo.nl> cc:
> Sent by: Subject: A story of woe.
> nobody@groups
> tudy.com
>
>
> 02/21/2001
> 12:19 PM
> Please
> respond to
> David Ankers
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Group,
>
> I'd like to give a little something back that might help someone else's
lab
> attempt where mine failed. It all started Monday morning with my first
> attempt at the lab in Brussels, arrived early feeling relaxed as I only
was
> interested in having a look what the lab was about as apparently nobody
> really passes first time anyway. Day 1 started a little slowly, read the
> whole exam and although it was demanding I've spent a lot of time studying
> and I felt I could at least configure everything, this was the first time
I
> though "hey, might make it to see what day two is about". From their on in
> it
> just got better, as I configured each section in turn and tested it, I
knew
> it was the best could do and I didn't spot any issues. I finished the
> whole
> of day with one and a half hours to spare, checked everything and left at
> the
> end of the day. I missed only 2 points from day one due to a not really
> understanding the question.
>
> So, I got to see day two, I had a feeling what was on it as I knew what
> main
> topics where missing from day 1, they are not my strongest but at least I
> get
> to see the day 2 lab. I opened the folder and read the exam and it wasn't
> too
> bad, there were a couple of things I didn't know 100% but I just got my
> head
> down. I finished the first run of day two and looked at the clock, only 45
> mins, I checked a few things with the CD, got a coffee and went back and
> did
> the lab again. I did everything I knew and even if I had a week longer I
> would not have spotted the issues I lost points on. On day two I lost a
> total
> of 4 points.
>
> Having lost only 6 points I was going to make it to troubleshooting. I
> thought, great I get to see what troubleshooting is like not bad for a
> first
> go and it'll really make the second attempt easier. Then I thought, hey I
> only need less than half the points and I've passed, there might not even
> be
> a second attempt Once I realized this, I got nervous, badly. In the time
> between lunch and troubleshooting I went completely to bits and
> troubleshooting was a disaster, a total of 8 points. Its indicated on the
> Cisco web page and in Cisco press books that a passing score is 80 points
> so
> I its within the NDA to say I only needed 11 points on TS. It wasn't only
> going to bits on the TS, even if I would have stayed calm I don't think I
> would have passed, my troubleshooting was awful. I didn't know where to
> start
> what router to start on etc. In fact the first 2 mins went very well as I
> checked if I had access via the console port to enable mode to all routers
> and fixed the problems in 2 mins. It's when I had full access that things
> went wrong.
>
> Now I need your help like I've never needed it before :-) How is the best
> way
> to handle troubleshooting? I know the idea is to get layer 1 up then layer
> 2,
> no problem I did that but all the layer 3 addressing etc was just plain
> messed up, the amount of errors was massive. Just didn't know where to
> start
> and with the nerves I wasn't thinking straight either. Lesson here stay
> calm.
>
> Two things, help with the methology, first do I keep the messed up
> addresses
> and try and fix them or do I re-type my ones on my map? What do I work on
> first, getting connections between just two routers for all protocols and
> move on from there or do I get all of ip running on all routers then do
the
> routing + other protocols?
>
> What I'm thinking is if I had a network like this:
>
> R1-R2-R3-R4-R5
>
> Lets say layer 2 is sorted. I should get R1 to talk IP with R2 and then R2
> to
> talk ip with R3 and then R3 to talk with R4 etc... Then check the routing
> protocols are running on the correct interfaces and see if this routing
> protocol works between all routers i.e. I can see R5's routes from R1 and
> vice versa?
>
> My biggest mistake was not thinking about TS before at all, the first time
> I've really had a clear head to think about what I should have done is
now.
> I
> never expected to get anywhere near it and when I did I froze because I
had
> no plan at all. Hopefully another bit of advise, if your reading this and
> think you do troubleshooting everyday so it should be OK, the lab is not
> everyday TS, it a lot of problems in a very short space of time, without a
> real plan of attack it's very difficult.
>
> Any ideas on how you either did this or think is a good idea? Also if I
> make
> a lab on my home rack would any of you guys be willing to either A let me
> send you the configs you mess them up and I'll tftp them to start up and
> realod or B log into my rack and mess them up badly. Won't be straight
away
> because I want some time off now.
>
> Well, I'm not yet a CCIE but seeing the lab helped a lot and also
confirmed
> that I have actually learnt something over the years. 12 people started
the
> lab and 4 gained thier CCIEs, one of these had 57 points going in to TS.
> The
> ones that failed on day 1 never expected it to be that hard and there was
> some really wacky stuff that really tested your knowledge in some serious
> depth. From the experience I'm happy at the standard of the questions and
> the
> way the exam is run, I failed fairly as it was a really weak point that
> brought me down and nothing more.
>
> Regards,
>
> David.
>
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