From: Tyler Pomerhn (tpomerhn@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Feb 20 2001 - 12:20:10 GMT-3
I'd personally like to see a multiservice CCIE - one based on AVVID (IP
phones, Callmanager, H.323, MGCP, etc.).
Whatever newer CCIE track makes it to RTP, I'm trying for the second
CCIE using that one. :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Adrian Chew
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:29 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Design Lab
>
>
> I would actually disagree on security - security is important
> no doubt but
> it isn't nearly this huge thing it has been made out to be.
> It almost seems
> a CCIE Security might be a little too easy - IMO, security is
> nothing more
> than a piece that goes into the CCIE Design. Those customers
> who spend
> foolishly often think they can get away with a ton of firewalls and
> intrusion detectors, etc - but the key in security is
> fundamentally sound
> network design. A well designed network takes security into
> account among
> many other factors.
>
> Most firewall implementations almost look like the design of
> the firewall
> design discussion going on now - you need border routers to
> the Internet,
> load balancers and lots of redundancies and have all these
> secured. Any
> 'security' specialists usually do nothing more than clean up after the
> designer of the network failed to deal with the security
> aspect. There's
> just too many 'myths' that enables security to sell, but it
> all boils down
> to stuff that should have been done from day 1 with the design.
>
> More bandwidth is not necesarily an catch-all solution...
> often the root
> problems might be caused by other factors including the
> servers, apps, etc
> that run on the networks. More bandwidth can be almost like
> sinfully using
> duct tape to patch a million little leaks. Having done
> everything from
> traffic shaping/rate-limited to queueing on starved links,
> I'd say a lot is
> possible if you're dealing with cases when the bandwidth
> isn't likely to go
> up easily - international bandwidth can be extremely expensive.
>
> Given a set of requirements, and a budget to do that with - I
> do think as
> the 'engineer' - we've got the responsibility to design, propose and
> implement the best 'fit' solution. This can usually be done
> - and sometimes
> you have to make compromises and choices when resources are
> limited - in
> those cases the compromises should be made known and the
> client has to make
> the final call.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Larrieu" <chuck@cl.cncdsl.com>
> To: "Cal Michael" <cmichael@solutionlabs.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:09 AM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Design Lab
>
>
> > My own opinion is that there is far more value to be had
> and offered in
> the
> > CCIE / Security certification, and that is where Cisco
> should place its
> > support and resources.
> >
> > In my dealings with customers over the last year I find
> that as far as
> > design goes, the solution to every problem is more
> bandwidth, and the
> > companies that have money will spend it foolishly, and the
> companies that
> > don't will just do it as cheaply as possible no matter what the
> > consequences. So design becomes merely a matter of slapping
> together a
> bunch
> > of boxes in the desired price range with the ability to
> connect via the
> > transport mechanism of choice.
> >
> > Security, on the other hand, is a skill that transcends
> Cisco specific
> > solutions, and will provide value to the certified
> individual and his/her
> > customers for some time to come.
> >
> > JMHO
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Cal
> > Michael
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:43 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: CCIE Design Lab
> >
> >
> > - Just talked to the registrar at San Jose and was
> > informed that the Design Lab is going to face a
> > critical decision regarding it's future.
> >
> > The decision is to go forward with a redesigned
> > Design lab, or to pull it's proverbial plug.
> >
> > Is it time to give Cisco a show of support for
> > the Design program? The Design CCIE has been
> > touted as the "Master CCIE" program because of
> > the unrealistic mix of product that can possibly
> > be seen on the lab exam.
> >
> > The "life or death" decision is supposed to be
> > made in the beginning of April.
> >
> > - Does anybody else have any other details regarding
> > the fate of CCIE Design program?
> >
> > --- ----- ---
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > - Cal Michael - Author www.solutionlabs.com -
> > - CCIE R-S/ISP Dial #5033, CCDP, AVVID CIPT -
> > - mailto:support@solutionlabs.com -
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
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