From: McCallum, Robert (Robert.McCallum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Feb 16 2001 - 18:18:04 GMT-3
GIVE IT A REST.
YES THIS IS A CCIE MAILING LIST.
WHO CARES IF YOU DO OR DON'T USE THEM IN THE LAB.
THE PERSON WHO MAILED THEM IN THE FIRST INSTANCE WAS ONLY TRYING TO BE
HELPFUL.
With this amount of abuse being pertained from one person trying to be
helpful then why bother. This list is becoming unbelievably pedantic about
what it should and shouldn't do. My view on "most" subjects if you don't
like it - don't read it.
NOW DROP THIS SUBJECT.
P.S. I THANK THE PERSON WHO FIRST sent the email many threads ago. I might
use them in my day to day tasks on ISIS or I may not but I still thank you
for sharing some information that I did not know about. After all ISN'T
THIS LIST ABOUT SHARING INFO?????????????????
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Baumgartner [mailto:kbaumgar@cisco.com]
Sent: 15 February 2001 22:40
To: Jack Yu; NoOne Important; tniedens@cisco.com;
Simon.Baxter@au.logical.com; markl11@hotmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
If this is a study group for ccie lab I don't see the reason to put
undocumented
commands on this list. You will not be required to use these commands in the
lab. And if you use them in the lab you could even cause a lot of problems.
Don't cause yourself more headaches than needed.
The undocumented commands are not useless, but I would avoid using them
in the lab. All the commands required for the lab should be on the cd.
Now finding the commands or the right syntax on the cd
can be a challenge sometimes.
Kevin
At 02:02 PM 2/15/01 -0800, Jack Yu wrote:
>If there is a legitimate concern of the impacts of
>some IOS commands, would it be nice to document them
>seperately or at least mark them as "use with care" or
>" should not use on production equipment"?
>Please do not tell me all the so-called undocumented
>commands are useless.
>
>I think as an educational list, this is where people
>should post those undocumented commands.
>No body should try to test anything on a crucial
>production router, not to mention the undocumented
>commands.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>
>Jack
>--- NoOne Important <lm_nguyen@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Instead of making you look like...well I am not
> > making judgement here.(an
> > educationstopper maybe???)
> > Why not be like Mark and try to educate people on
> > the list on what commands
> > might "crash" your router? And why not try to
> > educate people up to the
> > capable "level" like yours.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Travis Niedens" <tniedens@cisco.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Travis Niedens" <tniedens@cisco.com>
> > >To: "Simon Baxter" <Simon.Baxter@au.logical.com>,
> > "Mark Lewis"
> > ><markl11@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
> > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:09:27 -0800
> > >
> > >I am aware of this. I just don't want people to be
> > lead astray. Telling
> > >people commands and not stating the possible
> > ramifications is not wise.
> > >Not
> > >everyone on this list is up to the "level" I would
> > say is capable of
> > >understanding the impact. If you get questions such
> > as what does the "*"
> > >mean in show ip route's output, which we do on
> > here, you are not at the
> > >level to understand the issues involved with
> > undocumented commands. I am
> > >not trying to stop education, but at the same time
> > I don't want people just
> > >punching in commands because they find it on here.
> > >
> > >Travis
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Simon Baxter" <Simon.Baxter@au.logical.com>
> > >To: "Mark Lewis" <markl11@hotmail.com>;
> > <tniedens@cisco.com>;
> > ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:18 PM
> > >Subject: RE: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
> > >
> > >
> > > > Remember this list is publically available via
> > the web site.....
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mark Lewis [mailto:markl11@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:31 AM
> > > > To: tniedens@cisco.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People on this list are proficient enough to
> > make their own judgements
> > >as
> > >to
> > > >
> > > > the issues you raise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Travis Niedens" <tniedens@cisco.com>
> > > > >To: "Mark Lewis" <markl11@hotmail.com>,
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
> > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:40:39 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Word to the wise.. and even unwise...
> > undocumented commands are
> > > > >undocumented
> > > > >for a reason. They are for people that know
> > why they are there and for
> > > > >Cisco Engineers to diagnose issues. I know
> > there are several of these
> > >that
> > > > >can end up crashing your router and should
> > never we used on production
> > > > >equipment; futhermore, they will NOT be on the
> > CCIE Lab.
> > > > >
> > > > >Travis Niedens
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Mark Lewis" <markl11@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:10 AM
> > > > >Subject: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are a few undocumented IS-IS commands
> > you might like to try
> > >out:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > show isis timers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > show isis private
> > > > > >
> > > > > > show isis database private
> > > > > >
> > > > > > show spf-log detail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > show isis tree
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope you all find them useful!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > CCIE#6280 / CCSI#21051
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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