From: Mark Lewis (markl11@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 18:28:11 GMT-3
Hi,
If you're (original postee) looking for a list of do and don't as far as lab
prep is concerned, I'd do a search of the archives - there are loads of
'How I did it' posts from newly qualified CCIEs. That is probably your best
reference.
Hope that helps,
Mark
CCIE#6280 / CCSI#21051
>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <chuck@cl.cncdsl.com>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <chuck@cl.cncdsl.com>
>To: "CCIE Study Group" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: NDA - Preparation Readiness Guides
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:54:01 -0800
>
>My own no so humble opinions:
>
>1) pick up the Slattery / Burton book Advanced IP routing in Cisco
>Networks.
>If you can whip through the exercises in chapter 6 (chapter 7 in the
>second
>edition ), without thinking, you are halfway there. There are also a couple
>of nasty exercises in the NAT chapter that should test your mettle.
>
>2) You should be able to whip through a number of the exercises in Doyle's
>book without thinking.
>
>3) At this point you should be looking at the "ccie prep" labs from
>bootcamp
>or solutionlabs or fatkid. These will let you know how much you don't know.
>This is where you learn technique and research process that will not only
>help you through the Lab, but will make you a better engineer in general.
>
>Anyone, with a minimal amount of training and average smarts, can put
>together a six router network with any of the routing protocols, and make
>it
>work, even over ATM. ( well- maybe IS-IS would take better than average
>intelligence and a tolerance for strangeness )
>
>Cisco wants it's CCIE's to know a lot more about the inner workings of the
>IOS than the 15 commands takes to "just get it working"
>That's why the lab presents you with unreal scenarios and bizarre
>restrictions. If you don't know classful versus classless you can't do it.
>If you don't know the intricacies of route-maps and distribute lists, you
>can't do it. If you don't understand the implications of various
>frame-relay
>network types and what happens to OSPF, or EIGRP or RIP across them, you
>can't do it.
>
>I have come to these conclusions as a result of talking to and listening to
>and soliciting the advice of people who have passed the lab AND who have
>failed the lab.
>
>IMNSHO
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Chuck Church
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:06 AM
>To: CCIE Study Group
>Subject: RE: NDA
>
>If you can't tell by the subject's of this mailing list's messages, a
>majority of the lab is on TCP/IP. If you're completely comfortable with
>6-8
>routers connected in various ways with 2 or 3 different protocols running
>on
>them with redistribution, you may be ready. If you're not comfortable, you
>don't stand a chance.
>
>Chuck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Brown [mailto:Jim.Brown@CaseLogic.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:21 AM
>To: 'Andrew Short'; CCIE Study Group
>Subject: RE: NDA
>
>
>
>
>Personally I'm concerned with the style. I don't expect anyone to break the
>non-disclosure agreement, but I would very interested if someone could
>please tell me which sample labs, by whom, are the most realistic in STYLE
>to the actual exam.
>
>I don't want specifics on content, only the general fashion of the exam.
>
>I want to pass it fair and square on my own, but I haven't a freakin' clue
>what to expect.
>
>I just hate being blindsided.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Short [mailto:ashort@wingedwheel.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:21 AM
>To: CCIE Study Group
>Subject: RE: NDA
>
>
>1. Start with that blueprint.
>
>2. Subtract the technologies that the web page explicitely tells you is
>no longer on the test (DecNet, OSI, Appletalk very soon, Apollo
>etc...). Don't WASTE your time studying for LANE. It's not on the lab
>anymore and is time AND money consuming.
>
>3. Look at the equipment list for the R&S lab. It's quite short and DOES
>eliminate some more technologies. For example, I was ecstatic to find the
>PIX and local director series products missing from that list before I
>took my lab. The list of routers is a flexible bunch, but also a very
>basic set. No 1600's, 1700's, 7200's, 7500's, 12000's.
>
>Other than that, you have to TAKE the test to find out what's ON the test.
>Honestly, at $1000, it is REALLY a bargain to USE the test itself as a
>study tool, especially when you look at the cost of the alternatives. For
>comparison, a "CCNA Boot Camp" from Global Knowledge will set you
>back $3k! You gotta figure...take the boot camp, or take the test 20
>times and buy a $1000 worth of personal study material? you could drop
>the reps to 10 times and buy a couple of routers!
>
>Don't get hung up on passing the lab the first time. I did, and I was
>SORELY disappointed for the 5 weeks I waited for the retest. If my spot
>on the waiting list hadn't come up, I would STILL be waiting for the
>retest.
>
>INTEND to pass it, but don't go there figuring on being a CCIE at the end
>of the two days. If you do, it's that much better, and if you don't, then
>it's not as dissappointing.
>
>
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Ccie Bound wrote:
>
> > sorry for my ignorance group, but all I see is a nice
> > blueprint for the qualification and general info. for
> > the lab. I have a general idea of what to prepare for
> > from reading the postings on this list. I was just
> > wondering if there was some type of blueprint for the
> > lab, so I know what to focus on.
> >
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