From: Chuck Larrieu (chuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 14:54:01 GMT-3
My own no so humble opinions:
1) pick up the Slattery / Burton book Advanced IP routing in Cisco Networks.
If you can whip through the exercises in chapter 6 (chapter 7 in the second
edition ), without thinking, you are halfway there. There are also a couple
of nasty exercises in the NAT chapter that should test your mettle.
2) You should be able to whip through a number of the exercises in Doyle's
book without thinking.
3) At this point you should be looking at the "ccie prep" labs from bootcamp
or solutionlabs or fatkid. These will let you know how much you don't know.
This is where you learn technique and research process that will not only
help you through the Lab, but will make you a better engineer in general.
Anyone, with a minimal amount of training and average smarts, can put
together a six router network with any of the routing protocols, and make it
work, even over ATM. ( well- maybe IS-IS would take better than average
intelligence and a tolerance for strangeness )
Cisco wants it's CCIE's to know a lot more about the inner workings of the
IOS than the 15 commands takes to "just get it working"
That's why the lab presents you with unreal scenarios and bizarre
restrictions. If you don't know classful versus classless you can't do it.
If you don't know the intricacies of route-maps and distribute lists, you
can't do it. If you don't understand the implications of various frame-relay
network types and what happens to OSPF, or EIGRP or RIP across them, you
can't do it.
I have come to these conclusions as a result of talking to and listening to
and soliciting the advice of people who have passed the lab AND who have
failed the lab.
IMNSHO
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Chuck Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:06 AM
To: CCIE Study Group
Subject: RE: NDA
If you can't tell by the subject's of this mailing list's messages, a
majority of the lab is on TCP/IP. If you're completely comfortable with 6-8
routers connected in various ways with 2 or 3 different protocols running on
them with redistribution, you may be ready. If you're not comfortable, you
don't stand a chance.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown [mailto:Jim.Brown@CaseLogic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:21 AM
To: 'Andrew Short'; CCIE Study Group
Subject: RE: NDA
Personally I'm concerned with the style. I don't expect anyone to break the
non-disclosure agreement, but I would very interested if someone could
please tell me which sample labs, by whom, are the most realistic in STYLE
to the actual exam.
I don't want specifics on content, only the general fashion of the exam.
I want to pass it fair and square on my own, but I haven't a freakin' clue
what to expect.
I just hate being blindsided.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Short [mailto:ashort@wingedwheel.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:21 AM
To: CCIE Study Group
Subject: RE: NDA
1. Start with that blueprint.
2. Subtract the technologies that the web page explicitely tells you is
no longer on the test (DecNet, OSI, Appletalk very soon, Apollo
etc...). Don't WASTE your time studying for LANE. It's not on the lab
anymore and is time AND money consuming.
3. Look at the equipment list for the R&S lab. It's quite short and DOES
eliminate some more technologies. For example, I was ecstatic to find the
PIX and local director series products missing from that list before I
took my lab. The list of routers is a flexible bunch, but also a very
basic set. No 1600's, 1700's, 7200's, 7500's, 12000's.
Other than that, you have to TAKE the test to find out what's ON the test.
Honestly, at $1000, it is REALLY a bargain to USE the test itself as a
study tool, especially when you look at the cost of the alternatives. For
comparison, a "CCNA Boot Camp" from Global Knowledge will set you
back $3k! You gotta figure...take the boot camp, or take the test 20
times and buy a $1000 worth of personal study material? you could drop
the reps to 10 times and buy a couple of routers!
Don't get hung up on passing the lab the first time. I did, and I was
SORELY disappointed for the 5 weeks I waited for the retest. If my spot
on the waiting list hadn't come up, I would STILL be waiting for the
retest.
INTEND to pass it, but don't go there figuring on being a CCIE at the end
of the two days. If you do, it's that much better, and if you don't, then
it's not as dissappointing.
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Ccie Bound wrote:
> sorry for my ignorance group, but all I see is a nice
> blueprint for the qualification and general info. for
> the lab. I have a general idea of what to prepare for
> from reading the postings on this list. I was just
> wondering if there was some type of blueprint for the
> lab, so I know what to focus on.
>
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