From: Libone Mhlanga (libone@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 13:02:39 GMT-3
You are right, it isn't but then again you could extend this argument into
even more trickier grounds...the good think about our field I think is that
if you are good people will soon see that and if you are rubbish they find
out even sooner ...no matter what you look like !!! Back to BGP ...what
are the rules between RR, Clients and non-clients ?
Li
At 09:29 AM 1/10/01 -0600, Michelle T wrote:
>Admirable in deed. But surely you agree that this is not the majority
>corporate make-up? There is no reason why it should not be, it's just that
>traditional roles take a long time to break down. A lot of women-owned
>start-ups grew out of the need to break free of the confines "conventional
>wisdom" as to who should be in engineering and who should be in marketing.
>
>Michelle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Libone Mhlanga" <libone@digisle.net>
>To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:07 AM
>Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
>
>
> > Hello Folks,
> > You obviously haven't heard of my company then ( SF based ) :- the Company
> > CEO & Chairman is a woman, the President of Network Engineering is a
>woman,
> > the Director of Network Engineering is a woman, the Customer Engineering
> > manager is woman and they are all bloody good as well !!
> >
> > Li
> > At 04:25 PM 12/23/00 -0500, Pamela Forsyth wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks, Chuck, for the lovely compliments. Of course, everyone is
>welcome
> > >to view the cats. ;-) I think this link will work:
> > >
> > >http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293362347
> > >
> > >Getting back to the original off-topic topic . . .
> > >
> > >With respect to the fact that networking seems to be a male-dominated
> > >field, I agree totally. It is very difficult for women to get ahead,
> > >especially to get that entry-level job relating to infrastructure rather
> > >than server administration or end-user support.
> > >
> > >Deborah Tannen has published a couple of books on gender-related
> > >communication issues that I believe shed a lot of light on this topic:
> > >"You Just Don't Understand," and "Talking from 9 to 5." Both were
> > >best-sellers ten years or so ago and are probably still in print. Her
> > >thesis is that men and women have very different goals in communicating
> > >and this accounts for most of the misunderstandings that occur in
> > >interpersonal relationships and in the workplace.
> > >
> > >I have observed in job interviews (having been both interviewer and
> > >interviewee) that women tend to be far more conservative about their
> > >capabilities than they should, while most men will exaggerate quite a
>lot.
> > >I know I've been turned down for jobs because I'm a woman. Guess they
> > >couldn't see me doing my share of the heavy lifting.
> > >
> > >I know three other female CCIEs personally, and several others by name
>and
> > >reputation. I don't think the percentage is even close to being 20
> > >percent as another respondent speculated here. My own estimate would be
> > >less than 5 percent. The percentage of female students in my BSCN
>classes
> > >is running less than 10.
> > >
> > >Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all out there.
> > >
> > >Pamela
> > >
> > >On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have also had the distinct pleasure of meeting Pamela Forsythe, who
>in my
> > > > early days on Groupstudy was particularly helpful and from whom I
>learned
> > > > quite a bit - in attitude, comportment, as well as knowledge ) Pamela
>is
> > > > very funny. I've got a link to her on-line photo album of her cats.
>Wonder
> > > > if she'd mind if I shared it?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know Clare Gough? I used her book with good result for the
>ACRC, and
> > > > I've always felt I should buy her dinner as a thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>Of
> > > > radha rani
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:59 PM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> > > >
> > > > Just curious - how many women CCIEs are out there? This is a pretty
> > > > male-dominated field. I know one and was curious as to the total
>number.
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
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