From: Michelle T (mtruman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 12:29:21 GMT-3
Admirable in deed. But surely you agree that this is not the majority
corporate make-up? There is no reason why it should not be, it's just that
traditional roles take a long time to break down. A lot of women-owned
start-ups grew out of the need to break free of the confines "conventional
wisdom" as to who should be in engineering and who should be in marketing.
Michelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Libone Mhlanga" <libone@digisle.net>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:07 AM
Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> Hello Folks,
> You obviously haven't heard of my company then ( SF based ) :- the Company
> CEO & Chairman is a woman, the President of Network Engineering is a
woman,
> the Director of Network Engineering is a woman, the Customer Engineering
> manager is woman and they are all bloody good as well !!
>
> Li
> At 04:25 PM 12/23/00 -0500, Pamela Forsyth wrote:
>
> >Thanks, Chuck, for the lovely compliments. Of course, everyone is
welcome
> >to view the cats. ;-) I think this link will work:
> >
> >http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293362347
> >
> >Getting back to the original off-topic topic . . .
> >
> >With respect to the fact that networking seems to be a male-dominated
> >field, I agree totally. It is very difficult for women to get ahead,
> >especially to get that entry-level job relating to infrastructure rather
> >than server administration or end-user support.
> >
> >Deborah Tannen has published a couple of books on gender-related
> >communication issues that I believe shed a lot of light on this topic:
> >"You Just Don't Understand," and "Talking from 9 to 5." Both were
> >best-sellers ten years or so ago and are probably still in print. Her
> >thesis is that men and women have very different goals in communicating
> >and this accounts for most of the misunderstandings that occur in
> >interpersonal relationships and in the workplace.
> >
> >I have observed in job interviews (having been both interviewer and
> >interviewee) that women tend to be far more conservative about their
> >capabilities than they should, while most men will exaggerate quite a
lot.
> >I know I've been turned down for jobs because I'm a woman. Guess they
> >couldn't see me doing my share of the heavy lifting.
> >
> >I know three other female CCIEs personally, and several others by name
and
> >reputation. I don't think the percentage is even close to being 20
> >percent as another respondent speculated here. My own estimate would be
> >less than 5 percent. The percentage of female students in my BSCN
classes
> >is running less than 10.
> >
> >Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all out there.
> >
> >Pamela
> >
> >On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > >
> > > I have also had the distinct pleasure of meeting Pamela Forsythe, who
in my
> > > early days on Groupstudy was particularly helpful and from whom I
learned
> > > quite a bit - in attitude, comportment, as well as knowledge ) Pamela
is
> > > very funny. I've got a link to her on-line photo album of her cats.
Wonder
> > > if she'd mind if I shared it?
> > >
> > > Anyone know Clare Gough? I used her book with good result for the
ACRC, and
> > > I've always felt I should buy her dinner as a thank you.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > > radha rani
> > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:59 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> > >
> > > Just curious - how many women CCIEs are out there? This is a pretty
> > > male-dominated field. I know one and was curious as to the total
number.
> > > Thanks.
> >
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