From: Kent (cciecn@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Sep 05 2000 - 13:27:53 GMT-3
I was told the trouble shooting is the easiest part,
but if like what you guys saying, correct 50-60 wrong
ip address in 2 hours, what's point of Cisco for doing
this?
So the CCIEs are guys can type faster than CCNPs?
I have not got my CCIE, but I have seen the lab, from
what I can tell, CCIE stuff is pretty stupid if
consider the reputation it has. I have been working
with many engineers and some of them just could not
get CCIE after many tries, but I can say not any of
them is not as good as the guys who passed at their
first try. I know this is just claiming, because
people just pay for the title, this is the reality, so
we have to bend to the world which is ruled by stupid
rules.
--- Kevin Gannon <kevin@gannons.net> wrote:
> I also did brussels about 3 months ago now and never
> got to day two.
> The proctor IMHO was less than helpful in the long
> walk back to the
> exam room he asked when did I plan on comming back
> :( and then
> he simply said that he hadnt time to go thorugh all
> my mistakes
> yet told me a did very well in DLSW which killed me
> as I am very weak
> in that area.
>
> I knew I wasnt going to day two but he could have
> given me some
> pointers. I was so annoyed I didnt go into day two
> to try and redo
> the configs as I felt that he was no help then and
> wouldnt have been
> any help the next day.
>
> I am still trying to get the motivation to go back
> and start studying again
> I havent looked at my rack since then.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesmond Psaila <jpsaila@prudent.net.au>
> To: fixi mixi <mfixi@hotmail.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:43 AM
> Subject: RE: troubleshooting in brussels
>
>
> > Derek,
> >
> > At lease you had the luxury of the proctor going
> through the first day lab
> > with you in detail.
> >
> > In Sydney the morning after your first day you get
> told yes or no. I tried
> > to extract information out of him to know what I
> did wrong but no success.
> >
> > Everybody out there what is the ruling on this,
> what level of feedback are
> > you entitled to, It makes it very frustrating not
> to know what questions
> you
> > got wrong or right.
> >
> >
> > jesmond
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > fixi mixi
> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:53 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: troubleshooting in brussels
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is the story of my lab exam.
> > I flew to Brussels feeling no chance on the exam
> next day. My goal was to
> > make it to the 2nd day.
> > So I went there on the next morning feeling not
> particularly excited
> knowing
> > the final result anyway. Then we got the questions
> handed out. I looked
> > through it and I didnt find it too difficult for
> the first sight. At that
> > moment I got excited. Can I make it for the 2nd
> day? So I did my best. At
> > the end of the day I felt that I wouldn't be
> surprised if I was told to go
> > on next day too.
> > The proctor graded our work and called us one by
> one. We went trough
> > together on my configs. The proctor asked me
> questions pointing out my
> > mistakes. Since he didnt asked me serious
> questions I assumed that I made
> > the first day. My assumtion was right. He said
> that we will see eachother
> > the next day. He didnt tell me points.
> >
> > Next morning I went there knowing that I reached
> my goal, the 2nd day. The
> > questions were not too difficult again, so I
> thought I have even chance to
> > make it for the troubleshooting? At lunch time I
> was pretty confident that
> I
> > can go for troubleshooting. And I thought, what is
> troubleshooting, there
> is
> > nothing to it, a few passwd recovery, playing with
> vlans on the cat, a few
> > ip address changes, intf shutdowns, ospf area
> changes and it works. So it
> > was so. After lunch it turned out that 3 of us can
> go for ts.
> > There was only 2 hours for that. I started. Two
> pwd recovery, seems
> nothing.
> > I changed few params on the cat which were crucial
> and i even changed back
> > the hostname. I thought it was important. In fact
> it was not. I went for
> the
> > routers. I spent a few minutes with changing
> nonsense (hostnames,
> > passwds...). Then I thought lets make the
> connectivity work. I realised
> that
> > they changed lots of ip addresses. In fact they
> changed almost all of
> them.
> > I looked at ospf. It was totally messed up.
> Redistribution between routing
> > protocols? Filters for redistribution? Nothing
> worked. I didnt even dare
> to
> > look at bgp.
> > So frankly speaking I had to reconfigure the whole
> IP staff with routing.
> I
> > had to reconfigure the whole framerelay stuff.
> Delete subintfs which
> > involves to reboot your routers again. (3mins)
> >
> > IPX and Apple were also in bad shape. None of my
> previously configured IPX
> > addresses and apple cable- ranges were correct.
> ISDN needed
> reconfiguration
> > too. I was correcting ip ipx apple addresses
> during this two hours but i
> did
> > not get to the end.
> >
> > So I failed because of the ts. During this 2 hour
> I corrected at least 50
> > errors all together and I see at least 20 more
> (not counting stupid
> passwds
> > on vty and hostnames)
> >
> > At the beginning of the ts i thought that i will
> be given some tricky
> erros
> > which need debugging and correct the problem. It
> was not so. The errors
> were
> > obvious. They didnt test your knowledge. They
> tested your typing ability
> an
> > copy-paste ability. They tested how fast you can
> type. I was quite upset
> > about this stupidity and unfairness. This is not a
> question of knowledge,
> > this is just to make the passing rate to 15%.
> >
> > At the end of ts i asked the proctor what they
> grade on ts. He was
> preaching
> > me about some sophisticated methodology how to
> approach the problem etc,
> and
> > he told me that basically they grade connectivity
> and anyway he is new at
> > proctoring on the ccie lab. Yes, i sad, but in my
> case it ment that i
> almost
> > had to do the same thing in two hours which i was
> doung for two days
> before.
> > I wanted to ask him if he think that the ts is for
> human beings, but i did
> > not want to ruin my chances for the nex try so i
> kept my mouth shut and
> > tried to smile.
> >
> > Later on i talked to the other proctor (there were
> 2 groups taking the
> exam,
> > from 12 people only 1 passed) and I asked him how
> many errors they put all
> > together in one persons config. 50-60, he
> answered. I had more than that.
> >
> > Final conclusion. My proctor was not willing to
> tell me (not only me) how
> > many points i had reached in the different
> sessions.
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