From: Kevin Baumgartner (kbaumgar@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Sep 05 2000 - 15:34:58 GMT-3
I find it hard to believe there are that many problems.
Since there any only a total of 25 points for the troubleshooting
this means each answer is worth only a 1/2 a point.
I guess it's possible but It seems like a marking nightmare
for the proctor.
Or is it a total of 50-60 problems and you need to get 25 right.
But since I haven't yet made it to the troubleshooting I am
only guessing here.
Kevin
At 09:27 AM 9/5/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I was told the trouble shooting is the easiest part,
>but if like what you guys saying, correct 50-60 wrong
>ip address in 2 hours, what's point of Cisco for doing
>this?
>So the CCIEs are guys can type faster than CCNPs?
>I have not got my CCIE, but I have seen the lab, from
>what I can tell, CCIE stuff is pretty stupid if
>consider the reputation it has. I have been working
>with many engineers and some of them just could not
>get CCIE after many tries, but I can say not any of
>them is not as good as the guys who passed at their
>first try. I know this is just claiming, because
>people just pay for the title, this is the reality, so
>we have to bend to the world which is ruled by stupid
>rules.
>
>
>
>
>--- Kevin Gannon <kevin@gannons.net> wrote:
> > I also did brussels about 3 months ago now and never
> > got to day two.
> > The proctor IMHO was less than helpful in the long
> > walk back to the
> > exam room he asked when did I plan on comming back
> > :( and then
> > he simply said that he hadnt time to go thorugh all
> > my mistakes
> > yet told me a did very well in DLSW which killed me
> > as I am very weak
> > in that area.
> >
> > I knew I wasnt going to day two but he could have
> > given me some
> > pointers. I was so annoyed I didnt go into day two
> > to try and redo
> > the configs as I felt that he was no help then and
> > wouldnt have been
> > any help the next day.
> >
> > I am still trying to get the motivation to go back
> > and start studying again
> > I havent looked at my rack since then.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jesmond Psaila <jpsaila@prudent.net.au>
> > To: fixi mixi <mfixi@hotmail.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: troubleshooting in brussels
> >
> >
> > > Derek,
> > >
> > > At lease you had the luxury of the proctor going
> > through the first day lab
> > > with you in detail.
> > >
> > > In Sydney the morning after your first day you get
> > told yes or no. I tried
> > > to extract information out of him to know what I
> > did wrong but no success.
> > >
> > > Everybody out there what is the ruling on this,
> > what level of feedback are
> > > you entitled to, It makes it very frustrating not
> > to know what questions
> > you
> > > got wrong or right.
> > >
> > >
> > > jesmond
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > fixi mixi
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:53 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: troubleshooting in brussels
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This is the story of my lab exam.
> > > I flew to Brussels feeling no chance on the exam
> > next day. My goal was to
> > > make it to the 2nd day.
> > > So I went there on the next morning feeling not
> > particularly excited
> > knowing
> > > the final result anyway. Then we got the questions
> > handed out. I looked
> > > through it and I didnt find it too difficult for
> > the first sight. At that
> > > moment I got excited. Can I make it for the 2nd
> > day? So I did my best. At
> > > the end of the day I felt that I wouldn't be
> > surprised if I was told to go
> > > on next day too.
> > > The proctor graded our work and called us one by
> > one. We went trough
> > > together on my configs. The proctor asked me
> > questions pointing out my
> > > mistakes. Since he didnt asked me serious
> > questions I assumed that I made
> > > the first day. My assumtion was right. He said
> > that we will see eachother
> > > the next day. He didnt tell me points.
> > >
> > > Next morning I went there knowing that I reached
> > my goal, the 2nd day. The
> > > questions were not too difficult again, so I
> > thought I have even chance to
> > > make it for the troubleshooting? At lunch time I
> > was pretty confident that
> > I
> > > can go for troubleshooting. And I thought, what is
> > troubleshooting, there
> > is
> > > nothing to it, a few passwd recovery, playing with
> > vlans on the cat, a few
> > > ip address changes, intf shutdowns, ospf area
> > changes and it works. So it
> > > was so. After lunch it turned out that 3 of us can
> > go for ts.
> > > There was only 2 hours for that. I started. Two
> > pwd recovery, seems
> > nothing.
> > > I changed few params on the cat which were crucial
> > and i even changed back
> > > the hostname. I thought it was important. In fact
> > it was not. I went for
> > the
> > > routers. I spent a few minutes with changing
> > nonsense (hostnames,
> > > passwds...). Then I thought lets make the
> > connectivity work. I realised
> > that
> > > they changed lots of ip addresses. In fact they
> > changed almost all of
> > them.
> > > I looked at ospf. It was totally messed up.
> > Redistribution between routing
> > > protocols? Filters for redistribution? Nothing
> > worked. I didnt even dare
> > to
> > > look at bgp.
> > > So frankly speaking I had to reconfigure the whole
> > IP staff with routing.
> > I
> > > had to reconfigure the whole framerelay stuff.
> > Delete subintfs which
> > > involves to reboot your routers again. (3mins)
> > >
> > > IPX and Apple were also in bad shape. None of my
> > previously configured IPX
> > > addresses and apple cable- ranges were correct.
> > ISDN needed
> > reconfiguration
> > > too. I was correcting ip ipx apple addresses
> > during this two hours but i
> > did
> > > not get to the end.
> > >
> > > So I failed because of the ts. During this 2 hour
> > I corrected at least 50
> > > errors all together and I see at least 20 more
> > (not counting stupid
> > passwds
> > > on vty and hostnames)
> > >
> > > At the beginning of the ts i thought that i will
> > be given some tricky
> > erros
> > > which need debugging and correct the problem. It
> > was not so. The errors
> > were
> > > obvious. They didnt test your knowledge. They
> > tested your typing ability
> > an
> > > copy-paste ability. They tested how fast you can
> > type. I was quite upset
> > > about this stupidity and unfairness. This is not a
> > question of knowledge,
> > > this is just to make the passing rate to 15%.
> > >
> > > At the end of ts i asked the proctor what they
> > grade on ts. He was
> > preaching
> > > me about some sophisticated methodology how to
> > approach the problem etc,
> > and
> > > he told me that basically they grade connectivity
> > and anyway he is new at
> > > proctoring on the ccie lab. Yes, i sad, but in my
> > case it ment that i
> > almost
> > > had to do the same thing in two hours which i was
> > doung for two days
> > before.
> > > I wanted to ask him if he think that the ts is for
> > human beings, but i did
> > > not want to ruin my chances for the nex try so i
> > kept my mouth shut and
> > > tried to smile.
> > >
> > > Later on i talked to the other proctor (there were
> > 2 groups taking the
> > exam,
> > > from 12 people only 1 passed) and I asked him how
> > many errors they put all
> > > together in one persons config. 50-60, he
> > answered. I had more than that.
> > >
> > > Final conclusion. My proctor was not willing to
> > tell me (not only me) how
> > > many points i had reached in the different
> > sessions.
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>
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