From: Barry Mersmann (bmersmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Aug 30 2000 - 15:27:42 GMT-3
Nadeem,
The written, like the Lab has no boundaries as to what can be asked. You
literally have to know it all... that's not to say that there aren't certain
subjects that are weighted more than others.
I agree with everybody that's written regarding this subject in that you
have to make a commitment to know it. I won't make any disparaging remarks
about other certifications (having some of my own), but they don't compare
to the CCIE.
Now, having said my piece. Although you do need to know it all, there are
certain books and strategies that seem to cover the core topics... the ones
that you absolutely have to know... I'm hoping that this is what you are
looking for, not a quick path, but the most tactical and most efficient.
I would suggest first that you become very familiar with cisco's
documentation pages... read the internetworking tech overview and some of
the other documentation on the page. Take a look at Caslows routers and
bridges and Doyles routing IP.
You might also want to take a look at all of the books on the CCIE
blueprint - not reading them all, just find out what they cover. If you are
strong in an area, or if there are multiple books that cover that area, pick
one.
I can't tell you how studying will most benefit you, but I developed a plan
for myself, not to pass the written, nor even really the lab, but just to
learn everything that there is...
My first step was to go through ALL of the IOS configuration guides. I
wrote down every topic, every feature and decided how familiar I was with
that topic and how much reinforcement I needed. Then I started getting
books that covered those topics that I thought I needed help on. When you
can comfortably say that you not only know how to configure all of the
features, but WHY you would configure them, it should be safe to say that
you are ready to TRY the CCIE track.
Just going through the config guides and finding out what all of the basic
features are is a step in the right direction.
One item of note, I know many people that 'read' the books. You need to
make sure that you not only read the books, but that you understand them.
Having said my piece, I'll return to anonymity and say nothing more on the
subject.
I should be practicing right now.
Barry Mersmann
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Shaun Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:40 AM
To: bhescock
Cc: ccielab
Subject: RE: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
You were not harsh at all.
You should not be on this list unless you have completed the written test.
I get sick of hearing from CNE and MCSE who say Oh I'm going to get my CCIE
next they then take one look at whats requred ask me what they really need
to know to get through and when are confronted with having to acctually know
lots of things and not just the basic of the basics never mention it again.
The NDA is there for a reason to keep value on the CCIE and people who want
a quick fix to get the CCIE should be discouraged at all turns not only for
the CCIE program but also for there own pocket because its not cheap either
in $ or time. I currently study (Lab and Written) in the region of 30hours a
week plus my job time (network Engineering) another 40 a week. There are
times like when I failed last month that I think thats not enougth.
Shaun
bhescock@cisco.com on 08/30/2000 11:47:00 AM
To: nkhawaja@wgate.com@Internet
cc: ciscokid00@hotmail.com@Internet, cisco@groupstudy.com@Internet,
CCIElab@groupstudy.com@Internet (bcc: Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
Subject: RE: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
Nadeem,
Hi, while Dale may have been a little hard on you, CCIE certification
isn't a quick and easy endeavor like CNE or MCSE (I know, I have both of
them). You're expected to know all items in the blue print, maybe not
extensively but you should be familiar with them. So in that regard I
have to agree with Dale somewhat that if it's too much information for you
to cover then the CCIE certification might not be what you're looking
for. The CCIE isn't a watered-down exam like all the others in the
industry, it's very difficult by design and basically requires you to put
the rest of your life on hold while you pursue it. Passing the CCIE
written is far easier than passing the lab.
Brian
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Nadeem Khawaja wrote:
> Mr. Dale!
>
> Your answer is a humiliating slang on all who wants to pursue there career
> certification. This slap is not only on me but to all of you who are CCIE
or
> going towards it. Indeed I have been going through the archives and found
> some ideas but there are so many peoples with different ideas that they
> confused me on what to read and what to study. So I decided to read all
the
> books one by one. After I went through couple of books I figured out my
self
> where am I standing but could not. Since the blue print is too much to
cover
> and is very vague. The Cisco Blue prints covers almost everything and that
> is too much to go for.
> Thanks for your advise and the slang to every CCIE or newcomer
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Nadeem Khawaja
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Holmes [mailto:ciscokid00@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:10 AM
> To: nkhawaja@wgate.com; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
>
>
> If you had been continuously READING the messages on groupstudy mailing
> lists, including the archives, you would long ago have found what you
> needed.
>
> At this point in your endeavor, I can only suggest that you consider NOT
> taking the exam, and instead look into other career paths where the entry
> steps are more clearly laid out, such as:
>
> taxi driver
> used automobile salesman
> newspaper carrier
> elevator operator
>
> There are many others that may appeal to you. If you find that you simply
> cannot let go of the notion that you should become a Cisco Certified
> Internetwork Expert, then you might check out the Exam Blueprint at
> www.cisco.com.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> >From: Nadeem Khawaja <nkhawaja@wgate.com>
> >Reply-To: Nadeem Khawaja <nkhawaja@wgate.com>
> >To: "'cisco@groupstudy.com'" <cisco@groupstudy.com>,
> >"'ccielab@groupstudy.com'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
> >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:30:49 -0400
> >
> >Hi Gurus!
> >
> >I have been continuously sending emails regarding CCIE Written exam on
both
> >the mailling lists at groupstudy.com but have not received any proper
> >response regarding it.
> >Once again i am requesting you to please provide your feedback on it,
what
> >ever you can provide.
> >e.g what exactly to study.
> >from where to study
> >what sort of questions comes
> >how usefull is subscription to ccpre.com
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >
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