From: Shaun Nicholson (Shaun.Nicholson@xxxxxx)
Date: Mon Aug 14 2000 - 17:39:35 GMT-3
Wow I guess I touched a nerve there you wouldn't happen to work for cciebootcam
p.com would you.
My suggestion was to actually protect the labs they (or possibly you) sell by a
ttempting to suggest another method other than getting photocopies from other p
eople. I'm not saying that that was what the guy was trying to do but that's wh
at everyone else seemed to think.
I have taken the lab and I do know what your saying I just think your being a b
it of an ass about it.
Sorry man but you are.
I never said my way was better it was just a suggestion a method to try. That's
the idea behind the group isn't it.
Hey man if you read some of the comments this poor guy got for asking if anyone
had labs available then you might have realized why I made the suggestion I di
d.
If you read my original email I never knocked the resources of cciebootcamp (or
any other resources out there) I've never seen them so I would not do that.
The smart comments were from everyone else who started slagging the poor guy of
f and accusing him of trying to get cciebootcamp labs for free which in my opin
ion he was not trying to do. He was only looking for help like all other people
in this group hence the idea behind the group in the first place.
This group is for people to make suggestions and help out that was what I was t
rying to do.
If you want to slag someone off for poor quality material then get a look at th
e McGraw Hill CCIE lab study guide now there's poor quality lab material and al
so very misleading. Now there's a company who need a kick up the backside.
Again I'm sorry to the guy who wrote this but there is no way in the world you
are going to pass that lab on this book so why sell it as if you could.
If you do work for cciebootcamp.com let me know and I will reconsider purchasin
g the labs from you with this sort of communist ban of free speech you seem to
be enforcing I would have to reconsider spending my hard earned cash on such a
defensive short sighted company.
If you don't then I apologize to cciebootcamp.com and expect to buy the labs in
the next week or so once I manage to scrape $650 together.
Sorry man but I think this attack was uncalled for so I have defended myself.
If I have upset you in any way then I apologize but like I say I did not rebuff
any other method I only made a suggestion to people who like me think $650 is
a lot of money to be paying out in one go. Hell I couldn't afford $650 extra fo
r the lab even if it guaranteed me a pass. The road to CCIE is not a cheap one
not only in cash but also in time.
Ok I get paid well enough but its a lot of money to fork out in one go.
Before someone says "OH yes but you'll make it back once you pass" then you len
d it to me and I'll pay back once you pass. (yeah not so keen now are you).
I know I'll make it back once I get CCIE but that's not easy is it and I notice
there's no refund if I don't pass after using there labs.
OK now that's not up for attack either I was only mentioning a fact and I know
they don't give guarantees I was only preempting the replies.
Sorry but I had to get this off my chest.
Shaun
brian@theatlasgroup.net on 08/14/2000 04:02:00 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet
cc: (bcc: Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
Subject: RE: OSPF Labs
Before you start knocking the resources that are available in preference to
your own methods, maybe you should add the 4 numbers behind your name, so
that we can all feel comfortable that your method has at least worked once.
On the other hand, the other resources in question have worked countless
times, and are recommended by many. You should consider that what you seem
to think are good labs, that you are making by rolling dice, may simply be a
waste of time. Yes you might once in a while actually run across a CCIE
level issue, but I have invested a lot of time and money in my Lab prep, and
wouldn't be trusting my preparations on a Dice trick. At best you are
learning the basics really well. The basics aren't what gets you on the lab
its the TWISTED unforeseen hidden issues that you have never/will never run
into in real life. Equate the lab to playing 7th Guest, from start to
finish in 12 hours, and then having someone go in and mess up all your
puzzles, and you have 4 hours to repair the damage.
Using dice to develop lab scenarios is about like smashing your watch to
pieces and throwing it off a cliff in hopes that it will re-assemble on the
way down.
Brian
ps. please don't take this the wrong way. I just wouldn't want others to
make the same mistake.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Shaun Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:39 PM
To: damien
Cc: ccielab
Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
Do what I do. It makes it very interesting and more worth while in the long
run.
Draw a network out with 6 routers and then use a dice to decide what to run
on what interface you can use this to build your own labs (any one remeber
doing this for maps in D and D?).
You also dont have the answers so you have to work out how to make it work
on your own. Remember your trying to be a CCIE the E is Expert.
I know it sounds silly but use your imagination a bit and it really does
work well.
Then you can tell all these guys to stick there smart comments and save
yourself 650 bucks as well.
I have about 6 of my own labs done in the above dice throw method if you
really want to spend some cash I'm open to offers.
Thanks
Shaun
damien@clara.co.uk on 08/08/2000 04:40:00 PM
To: cjackson69@home.com@Internet, ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet
cc: (bcc: Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
reading between the lines here.........does this mean nobody has any Labs to
offer........:~()
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Jackson" <cjackson69@home.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: OSPF Labs
> You may have no problem with distributing them, but I am sure Marc and the
> court system would feel differently about it. Marc and company have spent
a
> considerable amount of time and research on developing fantastic labs. You
> do not have the right to distribute something that you do not own (when
you
> purchase his labs you are simply licensed to use them. You do not own the
> intellectual material). This group is not a place for that sort of
activity.
> I appreciate the fact that it can be expensive to pursue CCIE, but that is
> also part of it's value.
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Chris Jackson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Gary.Frye@firstunion.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:20 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
>
>
> The lab scenario themselves are not what keeps CCIE bootcamps in business.
> The big money involves time on very expensive equipment.
>
> I have no problems accepting or distributing lab scenarios. If people
have
> their own equipment then they don't need the service of any practice or
> virtual labs.
>
> -garyf
>
>
> ---------------------- Forwarded by Gary Frye/AO/USR/FTU on 08/08/2000
> 08:04 AM ---------------------------
>
>
> gfrye@carolina.rr.com on 08/07/2000 06:22:03 PM
>
>
>
> To: Gary Frye/AO/USR/FTU@FTU
>
> cc:
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
>
>
>
>
> I found the CCIE bootcamp labs very good and certainly good for studying
for
> the
> CCIE. I would however strong recommend that parts of these labs are not
> distributed in this group. They are not cheap I agree but that doesn't
mean
> that
> we should freely distribute. I think they are worth the investment.
>
> Kevin
>
> At 09:27 PM 8/7/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Does anybody have any decent OSPF Labs they wouldn't mind sharing. I have
> >got some ideas from fatkid, thanks to Mr. Small, but after that I am
> lacking
> >ideas..... Does anybody have any Labs from the CCIE bootcamp, I hear from
> >the posts they are quite good, but look expensive.....
> >
> >Any suggestions...
> >
> >Thanks
> >D
> >
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