From: John Conzone (jkconzone@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Aug 13 2000 - 15:08:37 GMT-3
I concur. Thanks Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Spahl" <georges@iglou.com>
To: "Paul Borghese" <pborghese@groupstudy.com>; "groupstudy"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> Thanks for taking care of the list and for your generous donation of time
> and money to the list.
> George
>
> At 05:48 PM 8/12/00 -0400, Paul Borghese wrote:
> >I have decided to remove Brad from the list. I hated doing it but every
few
> >days working into the discussion ccbootcamp was really getting tiring.
Plus
> >we have a strict no advertising policy on this site. Every advertisement
he
> >sent, I paid for! GroupStudy is currently using 2GB/Day in bandwidth!
With
> >the amount of money I spend on the site, I can instead purchase a very
nice
> >car. It really bothers me when someone abuses my generosity by trying to
> >make a profit at my expense.
> >
> >If I allowed this to continue, others will work their products into the
> >conversation at every chance they can get - eventually destroying the
list.
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Paul Borghese
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "groupstudy"
> ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >
> >
> >> Well, you need to make that clear too... I think it's only ethical
> >>
> >> www.nantech.com
> >> online lab for CCIE preparation
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> To: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >>
> >>
> >> > i work WITH ccbootcamp
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >> > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "John Conzone"
> >> > <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> >> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:24 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hey Brad,
> >> > >
> >> > > You need to let people know you work for ccbootcamp, when you make
> >these
> >> > > recommendations....just puts things in proper perspective.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nnanna
> >> > > www.nantech.com
> >> > > online lab for CCIE preparation
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> > > To: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> >> > <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> >> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:18 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > John,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi! The virtual racks at WWW.CCBOOTCAMP.COM aren't booked up
> >anymore.
> >> > > They
> >> > > > added (2) more racks to their current racks and now have a total
of
> >> (4)
> >> > > four
> >> > > > racks. (3 w/ ATM)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > fyi
> >> > > > -Brad
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>
> >> > > > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> >> > > > <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:12 PM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I echo Brad's sentiments. I have purchased some equipment
form
> >> > Brad
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > its helping a lot. The bootcamp virtual racks are great for ATM
> >and
> >> > > Voice,
> >> > > > > but are booked up. I plan on renting space on www.nantech.com.
> >Naana
> >> > is
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > fellow CCIE candidate who has set up a rack, and I am getting
> >ready
> >> to
> >> > > > sign
> >> > > > > up as we speak.
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> > > > > To: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:30 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Arne,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi! Virtual labs are a great way to save some money and get
> >good
> >> > > > exposure
> >> > > > > > to a variety of technologies. We have had many CCIE's use
> >> > > > > > www.ccbootcamp.com to gain the necessary skills required to
pass
> >> the
> >> > > lab
> >> > > > > > exam.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I used CCBOOTCAMP's labs to prepare for the exam mainly using
my
> >> own
> >> > > > > > equipment (with the exception of ATM, which I did on a
virtual
> >> > rack).
> >> > > > If
> >> > > > > I
> >> > > > > > could re-do my studying all over again (I dont think I ever
> >> > would!!),
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > > would have just used a virtual rack instead of trying to
track
> >> down
> >> > > all
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > hardware I needed for my home lab (cables, Maus, switches,
> >> routers,
> >> > > > > > transceivers, etc..what a pain!)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > For many people that are serious about their CCIE
certification,
> >> the
> >> > > > cost
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > using a virtual rack is minimal ($200/day ave). Getting a
home
> >> lab
> >> > of
> >> > > 6
> >> > > > > or
> >> > > > > > 7 routers, a switch, and maybe an ISDN simulator (or ISDN
lines
> >> > > > depending
> >> > > > > on
> >> > > > > > location), and then using the Virtual Rack for ATM/VoIP/ISL
> >> > > > trunking/etc.
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > a great approach.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > As far as VoIP is concerned, I know that Marc Russell has the
> >> voice
> >> > > gear
> >> > > > > on
> >> > > > > > his rack and has helped out his clients in the past by
actually
> >> > > > assisting
> >> > > > > > them with making the VoIP calls to verify configurations.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ttyl,
> >> > > > > > -Brad Ellis
> >> > > > > > CCIE#5796
> >> > > > > > www.optsys.net
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > From: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>
> >> > > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 8:12 AM
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > What do you guys think of renting time on a virtual lab?
For
> >> those
> >> > > who
> >> > > > > > done it,
> >> > > > > > > has it been worthwhile?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I have never used a virtual lab and am somewhat reluctant
to
> >do
> >> > so:
> >> > > > > > > - You have to book a certain timeslot, so you have to use
it
> >at
> >> > that
> >> > > > > time.
> >> > > > > > With
> >> > > > > > > a home lab, you can practice whenever you want. If you only
> >used
> >> > it
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > > 3
> >> > > > > > hrs
> >> > > > > > > that day, you don't have to pay for 8.
> >> > > > > > > - I like to have physical access to the routers so I can
wire
> >> them
> >> > > > > however
> >> > > > > > I
> >> > > > > > > want for different scenarios. At a home lab you are not
stuck
> >> with
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > predefined setup like on the virtual lab.
> >> > > > > > > - The home lab does cost more, but when you are done you
can
> >> sell
> >> > > it,
> >> > > > if
> >> > > > > > you are
> >> > > > > > > lucky for about the same price you bought it for. The money
> >> spent
> >> > on
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > > virtual
> >> > > > > > > lab is gone...
> >> > > > > > > - There are some things that are very expensive to set up
at
> >> home,
> >> > > > like
> >> > > > > > ATM and
> >> > > > > > > voice. Luckily we have some ATM stuff at the place where I
> >work,
> >> > so
> >> > > > > that's
> >> > > > > > not a
> >> > > > > > > problem. Can you really practice voice on a virtual lab?
It's
> >> one
> >> > > > thing
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > configure the voice ports on a router, but then I'd like to
> >pick
> >> > up
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > phone
> >> > > > > > > and make a call with it...
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > To get back to the original topic: I am paying for the
whole
> >> CCIE
> >> > > > > journey
> >> > > > > > > myself. Spent hundreds of $$$ on books, thousands on
Routers
> >> > (about
> >> > > > 5k).
> >> > > > > > And
> >> > > > > > > I'll be taking a CCIE lab class with MTS in London late
> >October
> >> > > (anoth
> >> > > > er
> >> > > > > > $10k
> >> > > > > > > with flight/hotel). After that I'm off to San Jose on Nov
18.
> >> > > > > > > Not only are travel cost a major factor (I'm from Germany)
but
> >> > also
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > lost
> >> > > > > > > income as a contractor for the weeks spent on training and
the
> >> > lab.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Regards,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Arne Kuhlmann
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Brad Ellis wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I paid $25,000 for my lab...it took a while to pay off my
> >> credit
> >> > > > > > cards!!!
> >> > > > > > > > (hence I started selling hardware). I would have never
> >passed
> >> > if
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > > didnt
> >> > > > > > > > buy my own lab. Now that I look back, I wasted WAAAAY
too
> >> much
> >> > > time
> >> > > > > > putting
> >> > > > > > > > the lab together (hunting down hardware). I would have
been
> >> > much
> >> > > > > better
> >> > > > > > off
> >> > > > > > > > purchasing virtual rack time from CCBOOTCAMP.COM or
another
> >> > > virtual
> >> > > > > rack
> >> > > > > > > > place that had ATM and VoIP. I probably could have done
> >that
> >> > and
> >> > > > had
> >> > > > > my
> >> > > > > > > > company pay for it as training...oh well. Good luck in
your
> >> > > > journey.
> >> > > > > > If
> >> > > > > > > > you need any cisco hardware, just let me know how I can
> >help.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > ttyl,
> >> > > > > > > > -Brad
> >> > > > > > >
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