From: George Spahl (georges@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Aug 13 2000 - 14:52:11 GMT-3
Thanks for taking care of the list and for your generous donation of time
and money to the list.
George
At 05:48 PM 8/12/00 -0400, Paul Borghese wrote:
>I have decided to remove Brad from the list. I hated doing it but every few
>days working into the discussion ccbootcamp was really getting tiring. Plus
>we have a strict no advertising policy on this site. Every advertisement he
>sent, I paid for! GroupStudy is currently using 2GB/Day in bandwidth! With
>the amount of money I spend on the site, I can instead purchase a very nice
>car. It really bothers me when someone abuses my generosity by trying to
>make a profit at my expense.
>
>If I allowed this to continue, others will work their products into the
>conversation at every chance they can get - eventually destroying the list.
>
>Take care,
>
>Paul Borghese
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
>To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "groupstudy"
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>
>
>> Well, you need to make that clear too... I think it's only ethical
>>
>> www.nantech.com
>> online lab for CCIE preparation
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
>> To: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>>
>>
>> > i work WITH ccbootcamp
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
>> > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "John Conzone"
>> > <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
>> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hey Brad,
>> > >
>> > > You need to let people know you work for ccbootcamp, when you make
>these
>> > > recommendations....just puts things in proper perspective.
>> > >
>> > > Nnanna
>> > > www.nantech.com
>> > > online lab for CCIE preparation
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
>> > > To: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
>> > <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
>> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:18 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > John,
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi! The virtual racks at WWW.CCBOOTCAMP.COM aren't booked up
>anymore.
>> > > They
>> > > > added (2) more racks to their current racks and now have a total of
>> (4)
>> > > four
>> > > > racks. (3 w/ ATM)
>> > > >
>> > > > fyi
>> > > > -Brad
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>
>> > > > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
>> > > > <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:12 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > I echo Brad's sentiments. I have purchased some equipment form
>> > Brad
>> > > > and
>> > > > > its helping a lot. The bootcamp virtual racks are great for ATM
>and
>> > > Voice,
>> > > > > but are booked up. I plan on renting space on www.nantech.com.
>Naana
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > > > fellow CCIE candidate who has set up a rack, and I am getting
>ready
>> to
>> > > > sign
>> > > > > up as we speak.
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
>> > > > > To: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:30 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Arne,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi! Virtual labs are a great way to save some money and get
>good
>> > > > exposure
>> > > > > > to a variety of technologies. We have had many CCIE's use
>> > > > > > www.ccbootcamp.com to gain the necessary skills required to pass
>> the
>> > > lab
>> > > > > > exam.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I used CCBOOTCAMP's labs to prepare for the exam mainly using my
>> own
>> > > > > > equipment (with the exception of ATM, which I did on a virtual
>> > rack).
>> > > > If
>> > > > > I
>> > > > > > could re-do my studying all over again (I dont think I ever
>> > would!!),
>> > > I
>> > > > > > would have just used a virtual rack instead of trying to track
>> down
>> > > all
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > hardware I needed for my home lab (cables, Maus, switches,
>> routers,
>> > > > > > transceivers, etc..what a pain!)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > For many people that are serious about their CCIE certification,
>> the
>> > > > cost
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > > using a virtual rack is minimal ($200/day ave). Getting a home
>> lab
>> > of
>> > > 6
>> > > > > or
>> > > > > > 7 routers, a switch, and maybe an ISDN simulator (or ISDN lines
>> > > > depending
>> > > > > on
>> > > > > > location), and then using the Virtual Rack for ATM/VoIP/ISL
>> > > > trunking/etc.
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > a great approach.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > As far as VoIP is concerned, I know that Marc Russell has the
>> voice
>> > > gear
>> > > > > on
>> > > > > > his rack and has helped out his clients in the past by actually
>> > > > assisting
>> > > > > > them with making the VoIP calls to verify configurations.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ttyl,
>> > > > > > -Brad Ellis
>> > > > > > CCIE#5796
>> > > > > > www.optsys.net
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > From: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>
>> > > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 8:12 AM
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > What do you guys think of renting time on a virtual lab? For
>> those
>> > > who
>> > > > > > done it,
>> > > > > > > has it been worthwhile?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I have never used a virtual lab and am somewhat reluctant to
>do
>> > so:
>> > > > > > > - You have to book a certain timeslot, so you have to use it
>at
>> > that
>> > > > > time.
>> > > > > > With
>> > > > > > > a home lab, you can practice whenever you want. If you only
>used
>> > it
>> > > > for
>> > > > > 3
>> > > > > > hrs
>> > > > > > > that day, you don't have to pay for 8.
>> > > > > > > - I like to have physical access to the routers so I can wire
>> them
>> > > > > however
>> > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > want for different scenarios. At a home lab you are not stuck
>> with
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > predefined setup like on the virtual lab.
>> > > > > > > - The home lab does cost more, but when you are done you can
>> sell
>> > > it,
>> > > > if
>> > > > > > you are
>> > > > > > > lucky for about the same price you bought it for. The money
>> spent
>> > on
>> > > a
>> > > > > > virtual
>> > > > > > > lab is gone...
>> > > > > > > - There are some things that are very expensive to set up at
>> home,
>> > > > like
>> > > > > > ATM and
>> > > > > > > voice. Luckily we have some ATM stuff at the place where I
>work,
>> > so
>> > > > > that's
>> > > > > > not a
>> > > > > > > problem. Can you really practice voice on a virtual lab? It's
>> one
>> > > > thing
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > configure the voice ports on a router, but then I'd like to
>pick
>> > up
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > phone
>> > > > > > > and make a call with it...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > To get back to the original topic: I am paying for the whole
>> CCIE
>> > > > > journey
>> > > > > > > myself. Spent hundreds of $$$ on books, thousands on Routers
>> > (about
>> > > > 5k).
>> > > > > > And
>> > > > > > > I'll be taking a CCIE lab class with MTS in London late
>October
>> > > (anoth
>> > > > er
>> > > > > > $10k
>> > > > > > > with flight/hotel). After that I'm off to San Jose on Nov 18.
>> > > > > > > Not only are travel cost a major factor (I'm from Germany) but
>> > also
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > lost
>> > > > > > > income as a contractor for the weeks spent on training and the
>> > lab.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Arne Kuhlmann
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Brad Ellis wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I paid $25,000 for my lab...it took a while to pay off my
>> credit
>> > > > > > cards!!!
>> > > > > > > > (hence I started selling hardware). I would have never
>passed
>> > if
>> > > I
>> > > > > > didnt
>> > > > > > > > buy my own lab. Now that I look back, I wasted WAAAAY too
>> much
>> > > time
>> > > > > > putting
>> > > > > > > > the lab together (hunting down hardware). I would have been
>> > much
>> > > > > better
>> > > > > > off
>> > > > > > > > purchasing virtual rack time from CCBOOTCAMP.COM or another
>> > > virtual
>> > > > > rack
>> > > > > > > > place that had ATM and VoIP. I probably could have done
>that
>> > and
>> > > > had
>> > > > > my
>> > > > > > > > company pay for it as training...oh well. Good luck in your
>> > > > journey.
>> > > > > > If
>> > > > > > > > you need any cisco hardware, just let me know how I can
>help.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ttyl,
>> > > > > > > > -Brad
>> > > > > > >
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