From: pkm@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun Jul 09 2000 - 13:17:39 GMT-3
Earl,
What is wrong is to give up. It does not matter if you take the test 10 times.
I
will be back taking mine in a few months. It will be my second attempt. The
problem is not what you know but how you deal with pressure. The CCIE has a lot
of
pressure. As a matter of fact, that is why I failed the first time. Last week,
I
took ECP 1 exercise from MentorLabs and I felt the same pressure I felt during
the
actual lab. I guess the key is to repeat the lab scenario until you know the ta
sk
by heart. So, you build enough confidence to get the job done and do not spend
much time on the documentation. Good luck. My 2 cents.
George Spahl wrote:
> Earl,
> That's the spirit! I know it must be aggravating, but you can rest assured
> you are not the only guy who has gone back repeatedly. If it was just a
> matter of going a time or two there would be as many CCIEs as there are
> MCSEs. You might want to dig into the archives and look at Derek Small's
> e-mail from when he finally passed the lab. Now there's a story of sheer
> determination and persistence finally paying off! Good luck on your next try
!
> George
>
> At 03:34 PM 7/8/00 -0700, Earl Aboytes wrote:
> >I appreciate your comments Scott. Just so you know, this was not my first
> >attempt. It was my sixth. My first attempt was over a year ago. I have
> >been to ECP1. I have been on this list since January of this year. I stay
> >up until 2:00 am every morning studying this stuff in my lab. My wife and
> >kids wonder where Daddy is sometimes.
> >
> >I am NOT a moron. Ask Bruce about Saint Earl. He'll know what I am talking
> >about. I have a Bachelors degree in Economics and I used to be a teacher.
> >I can honestly say that I have reasonable intelligence.
> >
> >You bring up a very good point. " Take a look
> >at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
> >hard look at it, and figure it out."
> >On my last attempt I mismanaged my time. The clock on my PC was off by an
> >hour and I never noticed it. I don't wear a watch and I was sitting in rack
> >1. From rack 1 you cannot see the clock on the wall. You can bet that I
> >have purchased several watches since then and I will be wearing every one of
> >them on my next attempt. Even without the last hour I made a good attempt
> >but no day two.
> >
> >I'll get this certification. Maybe only to show Cisco that they can't beat
> >me!
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >Earl Aboytes
> >Senior Technical Conultant
> >GTE Managed Solutions
> >805-381-8817
> >earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@mentortech.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:16 AM
> >To: 'Earl Aboytes'
> >Subject: RE: Passing the test
> >
> >Don't get burnt out already, Earl!!! There's plenty more projects to get
> >burnt out on and frustrated with after you get your CCIE! Remember, this is
> >just the beginning!!! :)
> >
> >More people failing means that things on the lab are not what people are
> >studying for... Keep in mind the pure psychology of the exam. Take a look
> >at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
> >hard look at it, and figure it out.
> >
> >When I went in the first time, I was SURE I was going to pass. i studied
> >lots, I knew (I thought) everything that was going to be on the exam. There
> >wasn't going to be a problem. Well.. There was. Not the end of the world,
> >I worked on stuff, and beat problems to death until I solved them, but in
> >the end, I ran out of time doing that.
> >
> >So looking back on the first time, the entire problem was MY approach. Me,
> >and nothing but me. The CCIE exam is not just a test of what you know.
> >Sure, if you dive into it, and work until you're burnt out, you may know
> >everything but what good does it do you? Part of the CCIE exam (and being
> >one) is not what you know, but the ability to grasp and answer what you
> >don't know.
> >
> >The increase in people failing simply tells me that everyone is concentating
> >on what they know, and forgetting about what they don't know. All of the
> >answers are within the Doc CD that you have access to in the lab. The
> >answers arent' always clear, and you gotta know what you're reading and
> >apply the information, but the info IS there.
> >
> >When you get over the mindset of being a CCIE, thinking like a CCIE (as
> >Bruce Caslow would say, "Spot the issues" (and then deal with them)), then
> >you're going to do fine regardless of the specifics of the lab.
> >
> >There are some really bright people on this list. Some of whom haven't made
> >it to passing status yet. There are some on the list who ask most questions
> >then they answer. That doesn't make them any less prepared, just less sure
> >of themselves. The exam is technically tough, but not impossible, so don't
> >give it up!
> >
> >Realize the psychology of it, adapt and overcome, you'll be fine! By
> >adjusting my approach to the exam, and only studying the doc CD layout
> >between the two lab exams I took, I had so much time left over when I
> >completed the second try Day 1 stuff, it scared the hell out of me! But it
> >was still a good feeling! You can do it!
> >
> >Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE(3.x), CCDP (R&S), CCIE (R&S) #4713, Security
> >Specialization, CCNA - WAN Switching
> >CCSI #21903
> >smorris@ccci.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> >Earl Aboytes
> >Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:17 AM
> >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Passing the test
> >
> >
> >Is no one passing this exam? I have seen only one post from our group by
> >Erik CCIE #5983 in the last few months. I also heard that only 14 people
> >have passed a particular test in San Jose and the test has been out since
> >April. The lead-time to schedule this test is up to 3 and a half months.
> >
> >There are a lot of bright, knowledgeable people on this list that are
> >failing this test. This is really starting to p!$$ me off. Is anyone else
> >as frustrated as I am?
> >
> >I consider myself a solid candidate. The last time I took the exam I didn't
> >even make it to day two. What is going on here? Somebody clue me in,
> >please! I am starting to NOT see the point of this certification anymore.
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >Earl Aboytes
> >Senior Technical Conultant
> >GTE Managed Solutions
> >805-381-8817
> >earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
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