From: George Spahl (georges@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Jul 09 2000 - 10:21:08 GMT-3
Earl,
That's the spirit! I know it must be aggravating, but you can rest assured
you are not the only guy who has gone back repeatedly. If it was just a
matter of going a time or two there would be as many CCIEs as there are
MCSEs. You might want to dig into the archives and look at Derek Small's
e-mail from when he finally passed the lab. Now there's a story of sheer
determination and persistence finally paying off! Good luck on your next try!
George
At 03:34 PM 7/8/00 -0700, Earl Aboytes wrote:
>I appreciate your comments Scott. Just so you know, this was not my first
>attempt. It was my sixth. My first attempt was over a year ago. I have
>been to ECP1. I have been on this list since January of this year. I stay
>up until 2:00 am every morning studying this stuff in my lab. My wife and
>kids wonder where Daddy is sometimes.
>
>I am NOT a moron. Ask Bruce about Saint Earl. He'll know what I am talking
>about. I have a Bachelors degree in Economics and I used to be a teacher.
>I can honestly say that I have reasonable intelligence.
>
>You bring up a very good point. " Take a look
>at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
>hard look at it, and figure it out."
>On my last attempt I mismanaged my time. The clock on my PC was off by an
>hour and I never noticed it. I don't wear a watch and I was sitting in rack
>1. From rack 1 you cannot see the clock on the wall. You can bet that I
>have purchased several watches since then and I will be wearing every one of
>them on my next attempt. Even without the last hour I made a good attempt
>but no day two.
>
>I'll get this certification. Maybe only to show Cisco that they can't beat
>me!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Earl Aboytes
>Senior Technical Conultant
>GTE Managed Solutions
>805-381-8817
>earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@mentortech.com]
>Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:16 AM
>To: 'Earl Aboytes'
>Subject: RE: Passing the test
>
>Don't get burnt out already, Earl!!! There's plenty more projects to get
>burnt out on and frustrated with after you get your CCIE! Remember, this is
>just the beginning!!! :)
>
>More people failing means that things on the lab are not what people are
>studying for... Keep in mind the pure psychology of the exam. Take a look
>at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
>hard look at it, and figure it out.
>
>When I went in the first time, I was SURE I was going to pass. i studied
>lots, I knew (I thought) everything that was going to be on the exam. There
>wasn't going to be a problem. Well.. There was. Not the end of the world,
>I worked on stuff, and beat problems to death until I solved them, but in
>the end, I ran out of time doing that.
>
>So looking back on the first time, the entire problem was MY approach. Me,
>and nothing but me. The CCIE exam is not just a test of what you know.
>Sure, if you dive into it, and work until you're burnt out, you may know
>everything but what good does it do you? Part of the CCIE exam (and being
>one) is not what you know, but the ability to grasp and answer what you
>don't know.
>
>The increase in people failing simply tells me that everyone is concentating
>on what they know, and forgetting about what they don't know. All of the
>answers are within the Doc CD that you have access to in the lab. The
>answers arent' always clear, and you gotta know what you're reading and
>apply the information, but the info IS there.
>
>When you get over the mindset of being a CCIE, thinking like a CCIE (as
>Bruce Caslow would say, "Spot the issues" (and then deal with them)), then
>you're going to do fine regardless of the specifics of the lab.
>
>There are some really bright people on this list. Some of whom haven't made
>it to passing status yet. There are some on the list who ask most questions
>then they answer. That doesn't make them any less prepared, just less sure
>of themselves. The exam is technically tough, but not impossible, so don't
>give it up!
>
>Realize the psychology of it, adapt and overcome, you'll be fine! By
>adjusting my approach to the exam, and only studying the doc CD layout
>between the two lab exams I took, I had so much time left over when I
>completed the second try Day 1 stuff, it scared the hell out of me! But it
>was still a good feeling! You can do it!
>
>Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE(3.x), CCDP (R&S), CCIE (R&S) #4713, Security
>Specialization, CCNA - WAN Switching
>CCSI #21903
>smorris@ccci.com
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>Earl Aboytes
>Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:17 AM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Passing the test
>
>
>Is no one passing this exam? I have seen only one post from our group by
>Erik CCIE #5983 in the last few months. I also heard that only 14 people
>have passed a particular test in San Jose and the test has been out since
>April. The lead-time to schedule this test is up to 3 and a half months.
>
>There are a lot of bright, knowledgeable people on this list that are
>failing this test. This is really starting to p!$$ me off. Is anyone else
>as frustrated as I am?
>
>I consider myself a solid candidate. The last time I took the exam I didn't
>even make it to day two. What is going on here? Somebody clue me in,
>please! I am starting to NOT see the point of this certification anymore.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Earl Aboytes
>Senior Technical Conultant
>GTE Managed Solutions
>805-381-8817
>earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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