From: Victor Kasacavage (vkasacavage@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Jul 09 2000 - 00:03:45 GMT-3
Just to add a little more,
The first two times I took the test I failed, not because I didn't or
couldn't do anything that was asked, but simply a time and pressure issue.
If given enough time, the test would be a lot easier. However the time and
pressure is part of the test so I found my own way to pick up speed.
It's simple, it's cheap, and it works. Get a cheap kitchen timer, one of
those wind up 60 minute jobs. I would give myself a task to do in a certain
amount of time and the timer would let me know if I was successful. After
doing this for a while, you will notice that your times start to pick up. I
found this to be a great way for me to judge how long certain tasks would
take. It also provides a measurable feedback, if it takes you 1 hour to
configure DLSW, try to bring that time down to about 30 minutes, keep
decreasing the time till it is your typing speed is the holdup.
Was it successful, well I blasted through the first day and had about two
thirds of the lab done by lunch. Just a little helpful tip that I though
you all might benefit from. Knowing how to search the CD is essential also,
on day 2 I had a question that I had no idea how to configure and only 10
minutes left on the test. A quick search on the CD and some fast typing,
and voila, question answered and correct.
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Morris <smorris@mentortech.com>
To: 'Earl Aboytes' <earl@linkline.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: Passing the test
> heheheh... That's a good healthy attitude to have! I know it's tough to
> see, but the result really IS worth it!
>
> As far as looking at the reason for failure, I was referring to a little
> more broad-based. I'm not attempting to be offensive here at all, so
please
> don't take this wrong.
>
> You did not fail because the clock was off by an hour. That may have
> contributed to how your time management went about, but that in and of
> itself would be hard to reason for everything. What were the other
problems
> up to that point? How you handled difficult things? Not using the
proctor
> if you were unsure? Basic concepts that you hadn't studied?
>
> Sometimes there's not a very pretty answer to "why?", but it's an answer
> that helps. Being a teacher, I'm sure you can appreciate the things that
> students would come up with. Aside from the folks who honestly didn't
care
> (and even after one attempt at the exam, you HAVE to care!), there were
> people who couldn't take tests. They may have known all the material, but
> psychologically, there were reasons they didn't do well on the test. Why?
> That's the part that may just challenge the teacher side of you to figure
> out.
>
> I've seen you around the list for a while, and you strike me as a very
> intelligent person. Despite the fact that you work for GTE (grin). So
that
> part, in and of itself isn't a problem.
>
> Did you enjoy Bruce's class? Other than the technical expertise to test
> yourself on, did you pay attention to his view of the psychology of the
> exam? Have you taken a break from this stuff since you started??? Just a
> thought, perhaps you need to.
>
> Are you going to be at Networkers in Orlando?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Earl Aboytes
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 6:34 PM
> To: smorris@mentortech.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Passing the test
>
>
> I appreciate your comments Scott. Just so you know, this was not my first
> attempt. It was my sixth. My first attempt was over a year ago. I have
> been to ECP1. I have been on this list since January of this year. I
stay
> up until 2:00 am every morning studying this stuff in my lab. My wife and
> kids wonder where Daddy is sometimes.
>
> I am NOT a moron. Ask Bruce about Saint Earl. He'll know what I am
talking
> about. I have a Bachelors degree in Economics and I used to be a teacher.
> I can honestly say that I have reasonable intelligence.
>
> You bring up a very good point. " Take a look
> at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
> hard look at it, and figure it out."
> On my last attempt I mismanaged my time. The clock on my PC was off by an
> hour and I never noticed it. I don't wear a watch and I was sitting in
rack
> 1. From rack 1 you cannot see the clock on the wall. You can bet that I
> have purchased several watches since then and I will be wearing every one
of
> them on my next attempt. Even without the last hour I made a good
attempt
> but no day two.
>
> I'll get this certification. Maybe only to show Cisco that they can't
beat
> me!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Earl Aboytes
> Senior Technical Conultant
> GTE Managed Solutions
> 805-381-8817
> earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@mentortech.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:16 AM
> To: 'Earl Aboytes'
> Subject: RE: Passing the test
>
> Don't get burnt out already, Earl!!! There's plenty more projects to get
> burnt out on and frustrated with after you get your CCIE! Remember, this
is
> just the beginning!!! :)
>
> More people failing means that things on the lab are not what people are
> studying for... Keep in mind the pure psychology of the exam. Take a
look
> at the previous time you took the exam. WHY did you fail? take a long,
> hard look at it, and figure it out.
>
> When I went in the first time, I was SURE I was going to pass. i studied
> lots, I knew (I thought) everything that was going to be on the exam.
There
> wasn't going to be a problem. Well.. There was. Not the end of the
world,
> I worked on stuff, and beat problems to death until I solved them, but in
> the end, I ran out of time doing that.
>
> So looking back on the first time, the entire problem was MY approach.
Me,
> and nothing but me. The CCIE exam is not just a test of what you know.
> Sure, if you dive into it, and work until you're burnt out, you may know
> everything but what good does it do you? Part of the CCIE exam (and being
> one) is not what you know, but the ability to grasp and answer what you
> don't know.
>
> The increase in people failing simply tells me that everyone is
concentating
> on what they know, and forgetting about what they don't know. All of the
> answers are within the Doc CD that you have access to in the lab. The
> answers arent' always clear, and you gotta know what you're reading and
> apply the information, but the info IS there.
>
> When you get over the mindset of being a CCIE, thinking like a CCIE (as
> Bruce Caslow would say, "Spot the issues" (and then deal with them)), then
> you're going to do fine regardless of the specifics of the lab.
>
> There are some really bright people on this list. Some of whom haven't
made
> it to passing status yet. There are some on the list who ask most
questions
> then they answer. That doesn't make them any less prepared, just less
sure
> of themselves. The exam is technically tough, but not impossible, so
don't
> give it up!
>
> Realize the psychology of it, adapt and overcome, you'll be fine! By
> adjusting my approach to the exam, and only studying the doc CD layout
> between the two lab exams I took, I had so much time left over when I
> completed the second try Day 1 stuff, it scared the hell out of me! But
it
> was still a good feeling! You can do it!
>
> Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE(3.x), CCDP (R&S), CCIE (R&S) #4713, Security
> Specialization, CCNA - WAN Switching
> CCSI #21903
> smorris@ccci.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- > ------------------------------ > Mentor Technologies Group, Inc. http://www.mentortech.com > Formerly Chesapeake Network Solutions http://www.ccci.com > Cell Phone: 941-350-8590 e-mail:smorris@mentortech.com > Pager: 800-490-1326 Fax: 606-225-8403 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of > Earl Aboytes > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:17 AM > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Passing the test > > > Is no one passing this exam? I have seen only one post from our group by > Erik CCIE #5983 in the last few months. I also heard that only 14 people > have passed a particular test in San Jose and the test has been out since > April. The lead-time to schedule this test is up to 3 and a half months. > > There are a lot of bright, knowledgeable people on this list that are > failing this test. This is really starting to p!$$ me off. Is anyone else > as frustrated as I am? > > I consider myself a solid candidate. The last time I took the exam I didn't > even make it to day two. What is going on here? Somebody clue me in, > please! I am starting to NOT see the point of this certification anymore. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Earl Aboytes > Senior Technical Conultant > GTE Managed Solutions > 805-381-8817 > earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >
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