From: Eugene Nesterenko (eenest@xxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jun 29 2000 - 21:40:37 GMT-3
Again
Gents and (I hope the) Ladies
Please UNDERSTAND WHAT Cisco wants from us - i.e. CCIE's
The scenarios are UNREAL - i.e you'll never see the problems like these at
the labs
in real world.
You really have to be smart and be able to adapt quickly.
TRUST ME - THERE's NO TIME TO SEARCH CD AT THE LAB TIME
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED To FIND.
Brian pointed that this DOC CD is excellent.
Of course he's right.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE NO TIME TO EXPLORE THAT EXCELLENCE AT ALL!!!!
As I was told by my proctor - "You're the expert - just prove that"
Spend your time to know ALL on that CD...
I got that - sure YOU can do that as well...
Regards,
Eugene
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Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE
Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
niallr@attglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:33 PM
To: Brian Hescock; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983
My experience in RTP last week was wretched. Yeah, Netscape loaded quickly
and all
that, but from the start all it loaded was gobbledygook. The substitute
proctor
was unable to get it working, so I had to fail on my own merits( which I
managed
handily) :P Honestly, I was pretty annoyed about not having a working CD on
my PC
and not getting any additional time to make up for the time lost
troubleshooting
it\not being able to use it, as a few points and some time would have made a
large
difference. The paper docs just do not cut it. Having to get up and go
search
through the shelves and then flip through the book is worse than trying to
do a
search on the CD.
Niall
Brian Hescock wrote:
> Euguene,
> My experience in RTP was exactly opposite. Netscape was already up and
> running and the PC's were actually rather quick. I didn't have the
> need to open a second browser window so I can't attest to the
> problem you're referring to. Perhaps they've upgraded the RTP computers
> recently, I was pleasantly surprised.
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eugene Nesterenko wrote:
>
> > Brian!
> >
> > Yes - I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that that's really bad idea.
> > Especially if you taking your lab in Brussels.
> > You have very slow computer with NT WS 4.0 with 16M of RAM ONLY.
> > Netscape starts badly slow. Attempt to open new browser window can lead
to
> > the system crash at all.
> > That's not only my personal experience.
> > The search process takes toooooooooo long.
> >
> > So am I wrong?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE
> > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Hescock [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:22 PM
> > To: Erik Belz
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; eenest@msn.com
> > Subject: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983
> >
> >
> > Eugene,
> > "NEVER try to search CD"??? I hope you're not serious. If you've
> > prepared adequately you do have time to search the CD and also if you do
> > it intelligently. Example: you can do a search on a topic for one item
> > but then quickly move to another router to work on another aspect while
> > the search is working. I found searching the CD was actually rather
> > quick. And also take advantage of the time you have, while you're
waiting
> > for the instructor to give you the test, locate and bookmark the key
areas
> > that could be on the test. Example: you know they're going to have BGP
> > and you know BGP has a ton of options that you may know fairly well but
> > you may want a quick reference, I'm there in 2 seconds and can be to
> > "confederations" in another second.
> >
> > And I agree partially that you shouldn't search the CD because you
should
> > have worked with the CD extensively and know where the key areas are. I
> > can go right to the DDR section, BGP, VOIP, ATM, IPX, etc without
> > searching, most are only two clicks away. But sometimes you get a
> > question on the exam that you don't really know what they're looking for
> > so you have to do a search to figure it out.
> >
> > Time management is a big factor but you do have time to search the CD if
> > you're familiar with the CD to begin with and you do it intelligently.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Erik Belz wrote:
> >
> > > ok let me clarify for those who may have misunderstood me. The CD is
one
> > of the best resources for STUDY (PRE-LAB). I don't suggest relying on it
to
> > pass the lab. I do agree that you should know exactly where things are
like
> > maybe lsap codes, regular expressions, or even a command or two. I'm
> > definately not saying to rely on the CD for the lab!!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > > CCIE#5983, CCNP, CCNA, CNE, MCP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> "Eugene Nesterenko" <eenest@msn.com> 06/27/2000 7:28:23 PM >>>
> > >
> > > > another thing is Cisco has won many awards for their
documentation...USE
> > > IT! You will find most of your answers on the CD.
> > >
> > > NEWER try to search CD
> > > You'll simply be out of time. Trust me...
> > > You should know WHERE the info EXACTLY
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eugene
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE
> > > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Erik
> > > Belz
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:28 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: CCIE#5983
> > >
> > >
> > > here is what I did to pass.
> > >
> > > the 3 bibles are
> > >
> > > Routing TCP/IP - Doyle
> > > Routers, swithes, and Bridges - Caslow
> > > Internet Routing Architectures - Halabi
> > >
> > > I would no everything in those books I mean everything! I would also
> > > practice each of the scenarios more than once. Playing with different
> > > routing protocols you will learn all kinds of different issues during
> > > redistribution. I agree with what someone else in the group said about
the
> > > way that Caslow try's to get you thinking. I think I nailed this lab
> > because
> > > before I even touched the gear I picked out all the issues first. Like
> > VLSM
> > > to FLSM, Route flapping and feedback. Datalink layers should not take
you
> > > more than 20 to 30 minutes to get up and running. This will give you
time
> > > for the larger issues. Practice is really what is going to make you
sharp.
> > >
> > > another thing is Cisco has won many awards for their
documentation...USE
> > IT!
> > > You will find most of your answers on the CD.
> > >
> > > Best of luck to everyone..
> > >
> > > Erik Belz
> > > CCIE#5983
> > >
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