From: pkm@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon May 29 2000 - 01:22:29 GMT-3
Agreed. Let's say that Ryan comments were strong and could have been interprete
d
the wrong way like I did. I thought he was mocking some guy in the list.
Sincerely,
Phillip
pradeep wrote:
> Can some one stop this spam.
> Its freedom of expression world and everyone has right to say ,but to
> comment it right or wrong is none of our responsibility or business.
> This is not a place to test anybody's ability or strength but to help
> common folks entering or learn about the the subject this website has been
> on.
> correct me if am wrong.
> Lets stop this and try to regain our tract
> pradeep
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Ryan B
> > Sent: Monday, 29 May 2000 06:14
> > To: pkm@calweb.com; ciscosystems
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: My perspective
> >
> >
> > I certainly fail to see how my post to Yong is beating him up. In my
> > opinion it is actually help him! Maybe he'll take the
> > opportunity to figure
> > things out for himself and thereby make himself a better engineer and more
> > prepared for the CCIE lab exam. How is this doing him an
> > injustice? Where
> > is the negative impact of keeping actual CCIE lab test questions
> > protected?
> > Do we know if Yong had this lab or if someone he knows wrote
> > theirs out word
> > for word and gave it to him? Do we want to encourage this type
> > of behavior?
> > Don't you think if Cisco wanted everyone to know the answer to questions
> > beforehand they would give the lab scenarios out on their own? Have you
> > ever seen me comment negatively on any other questions posted to
> > this list?
> > Given this, how is what I did wrong!
> >
> > I don't think this list exists for just answering questions. Rather to
> > provides a forum for helping others gain a real understanding of
> > technologies and the various skills, such as troubleshooting or
> > finding the
> > answer to a question, necessary to not only pass the CCIE lab but
> > also be a
> > valuable engineer. Answering the questions Yong posted is doing a
> > disservice to him, you, and the certification. And while it can
> > be argued a
> > CCIE who doesn't know his stuff won't be able to make it in the
> > real world,
> > I don't want to see that become the case... There is a time when
> > MCSE meant
> > something too (I know, this is an extreme comparison).
> >
> > You are making judgments and coming to conclusions about me that
> > are totally
> > unfounded. You have no clue as to where I am in my career path,
> > nor what my
> > abilities are. I also find it ironic that you are beating up on me in the
> > same mail you condemn me for beating up on someone else...
> >
> > -Ryan, CCIE #5847
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pkm@calweb.com>
> > To: "ciscosystems" <ciscosystems@sina.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: My perspective
> >
> >
> > > Obviously CCIE title does not give anyone the right to beat up
> > on anyone.
> > I have
> > > met some individuals like Ryan in my career. Usually, these
> > type of person
> > do
> > > not go too far in their career. CCIE title will get you so far. Many
> > companies
> > > these days are looking at individuals possessing as welll technical
> > skills as
> > > business skills. Soft skills is much more important than
> > technical skills
> > in the
> > > long run. My 2 cents.By the way, I forgot to mention that english is my
> > second
> > > language:)
> > >
> > > Phillip
> > >
> > >
> > > ciscosystems wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I am lurking in this list, recently hear many people attack
> > > > someone who asked one question about real lab test, I almost
> > > > agree these criticism, but i want to declare, these guys must
> > > > preserve their moral integrity, i don't want to bring up dead
> > > > horse, but i'm so sorry for Ryan (CCIE#5847???), you
> > really don't
> > > > have right to comment others, give some evidence:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > May 25,2000 Ryan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gee, where did you get all these questions? I must be
> > psychic, because
> > I
> > > > just happen to know the answer to every question you've asked and most
> > > > likely every question you're going to ask.
> > > >
> > > > Please, nobody help this guy... Let him figure this stuff out on his
> > own.
> > > > I'm not just being a jerk here... I'm sure you know what I'm getting
> > at...
> > > >
> > > > Ryan, CCIE #5847
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Yong" <yanyong@ihw.com.cn>
> > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:04 AM
> > > > Subject: OSPF neighbor
> > > >
> > > > > i have three router on ethernet segment runing OSPF and well,I not
> > hope
> > > > establish neighbor when other router attach the segment, not use ospf
> > > > authenticate.
> > > > > can i hoe to configure ?
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > best regards
> > > > > Yong
> > > >
> > > > BUT, see this:
> > > > April 25, Ryan wrote, subject: sanity check...
> > > >
> > > > If I wanted to filter out 0x0004, 0x0008 & 0x000c LSAP's would "0x000c
> > > > 0xfff3" cover all three? Next, what is a "test frame" as it
> > applies to
> > SNA?
> > > > How would I filter that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > > the above question is one real lab question, somebody should know it,
> > > > Ryan asked this question on the day before going to San Joes for his
> > > > first try, in that try , Ryan got his number, Ryan is pure? i don't
> > > > believe he could get the number on his first try without knowing the
> > > > total lab question, include the troubleshooting!!!
> > > >
> > > > I do not want to displease someone, but i wish someone criticize
> > > > others who should stand up!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > ciscosystems mailto:ciscosystems@sina.com
> > > >
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