From: Lee, Vaughan (vaughan.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 26 2000 - 13:08:05 GMT-3
There are three different types of questions asked on the list, and a
distinction should be made between the three.
First there is the person who is trying to do something in a lab and has
reached a point where they are banging their head against a brick wall.
They ask a question where they give details of what they are doing, what's
not working and maybe some configs. These people have clearly worked at the
problem and need help. Sometimes I know from experience that the question
is in the exam, but may still help because the questioner either clearly
doesn't, or is obviously doing their damnedest to sort it out themselves.
Similarly, there are the people who can't get their heads around a concept
or detail and need it explaining another way to understand it. Both these
people should be helped as much as possible.
The second type is the person who asks a question rather than trying to find
it out themselves. The question may be general e.g. how do I code up an ISDN
interface, or the extremely specific 'How do I code up X, Y and Z', clearly
lifted from the CCIE lab. They don't even word it as 'where can I find this
info, I'm going nuts etc. etc.'. This is lazy, and should elicit a response
that at best gives them a pointer, and at worst tells them to RTFM.
The third person asks a question that clearly shows that they don't know the
difference between a Cisco router and a sandwich toaster e.g. How do I get
into enable mode? These people clearly haven't read the guidelines to the
list (i.e. should have at least passed the written test and be preparing for
the lab). These should be left in silence amidst the desert winds and
tumbleweed.
The list is an aid to study, not a substitute, and is certainly not there to
give exam answers. Cheating my get you past the lab, but you'll only be
cheating yourself. And it won't be much help when the production network's
crashing down round your ears.
Regards,
Vaughan
(Gets down from soapbox, exits stage left and waits for flames.....)
Vaughan Lee, Network Specialist.
CCIE #5250
-----Original Message-----
From: Horton, Jeff [mailto:jhorton@lsfi.com]
Sent: 26 May 2000 15:49
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
If we don't ask and answer questions related to the CCIE lab then what is
the purpose of this forum-ccielab@groupstudy.com?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hedlund, Brad [mailto:BHedlund@realapps.com]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:16 AM
To: 'carl commander'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
Absolutely on the mark Carl!
Let me also say that people recently have been asking .... how shall I say
this ... LAZY questions.
"How do I configure this" "How do I configure that" kind of questions.
LOOK IT UP YOURSELF! The answer is right on the Doc CD!
Becoming a CCIE isnt only about passing a 2-day Lab exam. Its the struggle
of getting there that makes you a CCIE!
SUCCESS IS A JOURNEY, NOT A DESTINATION
Brad Hedlund
CCIE #5530
REAL Solutions (CENTRON)
Elcamino Resources Ltd.
Eden Prairie, MN.
(952) 829-2877
>
> Hi All,
>
> I dont want this to come out the wrong way but I would like
> to make a point
> about this forum without upsetting anyone or causing bad feeling.
> I have been reading this forum for a number of months and I
> am seeing more
> and more questions being asked which to my knowledge have been lifted
> directly from the the lab. I have taken the lab 3 times, each
> time reaching
> troubleshooting but narrowly failing. From this I have seen a
> wide range of
> questions for different scenario's and as I I have had all my
> attempts this
> year all the questions are very relevant as these labs will
> still be active
> in the test cirriculum.
> As I was saying there seems to be people posting questions at
> least 5-6 a
> week either the same or different questions that appear in
> labs. This is not
> a coincidence.
> I beleive by doing this the CCIE will be de-valued as people
> are taking
> shortcuts and not going out and reading the cisco literature
> and learning
> themselves the answers and idosynacries of certain protocols.
> Like I say I am not attempting to annoy people I would just
> like to say that
> when I earn my CCIE I will have earned it fairly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl.
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