From: Rob Ehlers (ccieorbust@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue May 02 2000 - 02:44:59 GMT-3
> Bud, I ALSO paid for EVERYTHING myself. And I dished out quite a bit more
> than $15k (although I have VoIP, ISL trunking, ISDN simulator, and more). I
> had no provided lab, NONE. Since buying all of this stuff myself, I also
> have gotten into reselling the equipment. I know the value of what each
> thing is worth...
Oh, you are reselling equipment... Well, I didn't start reselling
equipment to make money on the side. Maybe if I had decided to make a
business out of it, it would not have hurt so much.
> the 4500 w/ DS3 is a great router, but pretty much useless
> for CCIE lab studying...(at least for the price, you could get a 4000M+ and
> skip the DS3 module)
the ATM DS3 module is totally useable for the Lab... too bad you either
don't know what it can do, or how to use it. You can do any ATM
configuration scenario with it.
> And what kind of IOS is loaded on these routers??? What version of IOS 12.0
> enterprise w/ IPSEC for a 2500 fits on an 8-meg flash?
I used a cisco utility to compress the image, so that it runs from RAM...
much like the 4500's work.
> I did price out each router and add everything up...(including misc. stuff)
Well, I guess maybe I should have bought the stuff from you, since you
have such wonderful prices... unfortunantly, I had to use the only
resource available to me... e-bay.
> There are no books listed in your auction, either...
I didn't charge for any either... if you read my e-mail, I said I paid
over 15K, NOT INCLUDING books, materials, etc.
> Yeah, you do have routers with ISDN, but how are you going to use it???
> With a magical cable??? Lol...joke...my point being, you dont have an ISDN
> simulator included, so those ISDN router features are pretty much useless
> unless you have a simulator.
Well, those of us on a more limited budget go with just a real ISDN line..
costs much less than an ISDN simulator for a few months, and I already had
one.
> I'm not trying to be a prick or make you look bad, I just simply think the
> auction is overpriced. Keep to myself??? I don't think so. That's what
> the groupstudy list is for, facilitation of information. Just because you
> don't like what I have to say, doesn't mean I shouldn't say it!
You think my auction is overpriced by what standard? You picking up
routers from some liquidation house? Besides that, the 15% "overcharge",
even if your numbers are correct, doesn't seem that HUGE. If it is so out
of line, why worry with it, no one will bid on it?... OR maybe you're
trying to advertise your own equipment for sale, and trash talk anyone
else with something.
I actually thanked you for your positive contribution to the list in my
previous e-mail. I don't personally feel that you had or have any usefull
information to give... That you now have your CCIE and are still trolling
mailing lists trying to flame people and peddling used Cisco
equipment tells me that you should maybe spend some more time on
monster.com, instead of in here.
>
> -Brad
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Ehlers" <ccieorbust@ns1.networkease.com>
> To: "ironbrad wangurus" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> Cc: "CCIELAB" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: My HUGE CCIE Lab...
>
>
> > Well, since I bought all of the stuff off of e-bay, and I paid over 15K
> > for everything, I'd say you were wrong. If you have a problem with the
> > price, that's fine... why don't you keep that to yourself and see if
> > everyone else feels the same way in 7 days when it closes?
> >
> > Thanks for your positive contribution to the list.
> >
> > Hmm... lets see... 2503 - ISDN .. 2520 - ISDN ... ATM DS3 card has the
> > exact same atm configuration commands at the OC-3 cards (I used the
> > cciebootcamp labs on it no problem). True, no VoIP .. ISL trucking
> > possible with a router with a Fast ethernet port.
> >
> > I'm sure your $13K figure came after extensive research on each of those
> > parts... about 10 minutes of looking over it? Or maybe you know because
> > you financed your lab effort completely by yourself, as I did. Probably
> > not... company pay for everything?... provide a lab? Maybe you should
> > consider that I have over 15K of personal money tied up in this stuff
> > (not to mention what I had to pay for books, materials, lab and
> > travel), and don't appreciate your response, as it does nothing except try
> > to make me look bad...
> >
> > Thanks again, and have a great day.
> >
> > --
> > Rob Ehlers, CCIE #5769
> > rehlers@newsguy.com
> >
> > On Tue, 2 May 2000, ironbrad wangurus wrote:
> >
> > > It's worth about $13,000 on the used market (at that's at top prices).
> It's
> > > got no voice over IP, ISDN, ISL trunking, nor any useful ATM components.
> > >
> > > Just my 2cents.
> > >
> > > -Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rob Ehlers" <ccieorbust@ns1.networkease.com>
> > > To: "CCIELAB" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:33 PM
> > > Subject: FS: My HUGE CCIE Lab...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Anyone looking for a COMPLETE lab-to-go, check out my auction...
> > > > it took me months to collect all this stuff, and it has everything
> > > > you need (I passed the first time)
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322842843
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Ehlers, CCIE #5769
> > > > rehlers@newsguy.com
> > > >
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