From: Scott Morris (SMorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Dec 02 1999 - 08:40:34 GMT-3
It amazes me that for the caliber of people around, how many have such a
closed mind... Think outside the box gentlemen (and ladies as present).
Just because you are doing work and "engineering" things does NOT make you
an engineer. While I have no knowledge of what other countries require,
almost every state (if not all of them) has legal requirements for people
calling themselves "engineers".
When there are legal requirements involved, I don't care what it is you are
doing, you need to pause and have some respect for it. While it's a minor
point in the general scheme of things, it still boils down to the fact that
these are generally very intelligent people, and yet they can't figure out
what the acronym for their own certification really means. That is
"attention to detail". A REAL engineer (which I am not legally one either),
would pay attention to minute details, especially when legal precedent is
involved.
I'm sorry that this thread has taken so much of so many people's time,
especially when in the beginning it was a relatively inane issue. However
as people are going out into the real world doing work, I would hate to
think that someone is going to get themselves burned on a large project by
callously using the word "engineer" attached to a title they believe they
have.
Consider it an education point and get on with life. *shrug*
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Nesterenko [mailto:eenest@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 11:42 PM
To: Jinho Hong; Scott Morris; ymadon@comtech.com.au;
cisco-cert@cciecert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE #5311
>
> Dear Morris,
>
> CCIE is just engineer also export.
> Basically, We are engineer.
>
> Regards,
> Jinho Hong
>
> CCIE # 5263
>
Jinho is definitely right!
As soon as you're tech person - you're engineer.
Hope you not driving taxicab for living :-)
Regards,
Eugene
-----------------------------------------------
Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
Fax/Voice: +1 415 7043479
>
> -----Original Message-----
> ·ol : Scott Morris <SMorris@tele-tech.com>
> ^¶æ : 'Jinho Hong' <sthong@ascend.co.jp>; ymadon@comtech.com.au
> <ymadon@comtech.com.au>; cisco-cert@cciecert.com
> <cisco-cert@cciecert.com>;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> "úZz : 1999"N 11OEZ 30"ú ?Î-j"ú OEßOEã 09:15
> OE-¼ : RE: CCIE #5311
>
>
> Actually, no, it's NOT engineer... It's Cisco Certified Internetwork
> Expert.... Nice try though!
>
> Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE(3.x), CCDP, CCIE #4713, Security Specialization
> smorris@tele-tech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jinho Hong [mailto:sthong@ascend.co.jp]
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:23 PM
> To: ymadon@comtech.com.au; cisco-cert@cciecert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE #5311
>
>
> Congratulation!
>
> You're the excellent Engineer.
>
> Regards,
> Jinho Hong
>
> Cisco Certified Engineer (CCIE # 5263)
> Lucent Certified Engineer (LCTE)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> ·ol : ymadon@comtech.com.au <ymadon@comtech.com.au>
> ^¶æ : cisco-cert@cciecert.com <cisco-cert@cciecert.com>;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> "úZz : 1999"N11OEZ30"ú 13:05
> OE-¼ : CCIE #5311
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >I passed my CCIE Lab exam two weeks ago .I do wish to share some
> of my
> >experiences and pass on some of the things that helped me along
> the way. I
> also
> >wish to thank all the people who contribute to this list.
> >
> >Firstly the study material:
> >
> >Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs: by Andrew Bruce Caslow
> >In my opinion this book is almost like a de-facto text book
> for the exam
> , it
> >clearly identifies the topics that are really important and key issues
> within
> >those topics.
> > I can't say I read the book cover to cover, but I use the book
> extensively.
> >
> >CCIE Professional Development, Routing TCP/IP Vol 1: by Jeff Doyle
> >I used this book particularly for OSPF and protocol
> redistribution , but
> it is
> >an excellent book for all IP IGPs. It has plenty of very relevant
> examples and
> >scenarios.
> >
> >Internet Routing Architectures :by Bassam Halabi
> >This is super book for BGP, and almost a must read, Chapters 10,11 have
> plenty
> >of examples some of them are very relevant.
> >
> >Design Guides
> >I used quite a few of the design guides available on CCO, the
> BGP design
> guide
> >on the CD is excellent and extremely useful.
> >
> >Cisco CD
> >The search engine on the Cisco CD is fairly ordinary and I always
> end up
> >spending a lot of time when I search for a particular topic.
> > It is imperative to know exactly where the important topics are located
> on the
> >CD.
> >You cannot afford to use the search engine more too many
> times, it takes
> a lot
> >of time and it breaks your concentration.
> >
> >
> >Preparation
> >I guess I'm stating the obvious , but you really need to be
> an expert
> in IP
> >routing.
> >I spent about 60% of my preparation time on BGP and OSPF in an NBMA
> enviroment.
> >I think that really helped me,
> > it gave me the confidence to get off to a really good start.
> >
> > About 20% of my time on IPX, Apple Talk, ISDN and DLSW .
> > 20% on every thing else.
> >
> >The exam
> >I guess the most important thing about the exam is to remain cool and
> focused,
> >the question needs to be read very carefully .
> >Things are not always what they seem to be .
> >Save your configs. Believe it or not , The whole building had
> a massive
> power
> >outage on my second day, and I lost quite a bit of configuration
> >
> >Good Luck! The exam is hard but not impossible.
> >
> >Regards
> >Yezdi Madon
> >CCIE # 5311
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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