From: Ron Trunk (rtrunk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jul 16 1999 - 11:37:14 GMT-3
Aw c'mon guys! You're making me a little tense here!!
Ron
3 days to go ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Wade <wwade@cisco.com>
To: Scott Morris <SMorris@tele-tech.com>; 'Ben Rife' <brife@bignet.net>;
ccielab@groupstudy.com <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab
>
>Definitely confirmation that my shot at the lab on 16-Aug will be a trial
run and a real learning experience.
>
>And, I'm leaning toward booking a return flight for the night of day one.
>Realistic, not pessimistic ....
>
>Bill
>
>At 09:54 PM 7/15/99 , Scott Morris wrote:
>>I do not agree with your comment about the CD. No matter how much you
>>study, it is NOT humanly possible to know it all. I would strongly
suggest
>>spending part of your study time learning the CD. There are very few
parts
>>that are truly important on the CD. If you have to use the CD's search
>>engine, you're screwed, 'cause you'll search forever and get nowhere. But
>>knowing what information is where, and being able to scan through familiar
>>territory is an excellent way to use it.
>>
>>If you don't learn this, not only will you give yourself an ulcer or two
>>trying to learn everything about everything, but you'll continue to fail
as
>>you add to the stress level before, during and after the exam.
>>
>>Like the Marines say, "Divide and Conquer" (or maybe it was "we came, we
>>saw, we kicked their asses"... I dunno.). Figure out what you need to
know
>>and learn it. That doesn't mean you have to retain everything, but know
>>where to find it in very short order. Part of being a CCIE is not just
raw
>>knowledge, but the application of it. With that application of knowledge
>>comes the realization that the more you know, the more you SHOULD realize
>>you don't know. now that you're aware there are things you don't know,
>>where is that information found? For the problems covered on the lab, all
>>the answers are in the CD. Cryptic as it may be, it's there. HOW you
APPLY
>>that knowledge is what will make you a CCIE.
>>
>>In the mean time, relax, breathe a bit, go for a swim and clear your head.
>>Manage the time and manage the stress. By realizing you can't know it
all,
>>it'll help. When I took the exam the first time in April of this year, I
>>walked into the exam sure that I was going to pass on the first time,
>>because I'm a pretty smart guy, and never thought of myself as average,
>>therefore the statistics of passing rate were unimportant. I had studied,
>>even taken the week before the exam off to spend on routers all day and
most
>>of the night each day. I went over stranger shit than anyone in their
right
>>mind would come up with. I knew redistribution backwards, forwards and
>>inside out. There wasn't going to be any single topic that could be
thrown
>>at me that I hadn't tested and mastered.
>>
>>That was the problem. There were lots of them. I cannot fault the test
at
>>all. Technically it was very well put together. Looking at what I
screwed
>>up was just stupid. I did not make it past Day 1, even though I got one
of
>>the higher scores of the 6 of us. There were topics I hadn't covered, but
>>more important was the psychology of the test and the pressure. When I
came
>>back home, thoroughly disappointed in myself and irritated, one of my good
>>friends that I worked with simply looked at me, smirked and said, "Good.
>>Now you realize you're human like the rest of us. Suck it up and deal
with
>>it.". Needless to say, it wasn't what I wanted to hear, 'cause my ego
>>still hurt, but I took that to heed when studying again.
>>
>>A month later, I took the exam, and found myself actually having extra
time.
>>It wasn't because I technically knew any more. But because I realized
that,
>>and I figured out how to manage that. I still made myself really nervous
>>when I made it to Day 2 and encountered things I'd never heard of before,
>>but I had a plan in my head, and it worked. That doesn't mean that I know
>>everything, and certainly doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone else. But
it
>>means that I figured out the concept of the exam and the knowledge,
divided
>>it and conquered it.
>>
>>Good luck on the next one. Even with the same topics and difficulty, I
bet
>>it will be easier!
>>
>>Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE (3.x), CCDP, CCIE #4713
>>smorris@tele-tech.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Rife [mailto:brife@bignet.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:02 PM
>>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>Subject: CCIE Lab
>>
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>> As you all can see, there is no new number attached to my name. I
didn't
>>pass this time. As a matter of fact, no one in my group even made it to
day
>>two and the group before us didn't stay for day two either. It was one
tough
>>test. It actually was harder than I had expected. Be prepared to code
things
>>you have never seen, much less, heard of before. The test has some
>>practical, common sense, stuff on it, but there's alot to the test. Much
of
>>which you may have never done/seen before. Time is one of your worst
>>enemies. You probably won't have time to look at the CD either. 7.5 hours
>>goes like 5 minutes.
>>
>>I talked to the proctor and he said "you missed by a wee...bit". I asked
him
>>how much that was and he pointed out to me the sections I missed and after
>>tallying the points, I had 29. You need 30 to pass to day two. I was
bummed.
>>I spent a couple of minutes trying to figure out things that I missed.
After
>>about 5 minutes. I fixed 2 problems, things I didn't catch before, because
>>of stress, which would have allowed me to pass. That's the story though.
I'm
>>going to reschedule tomorrow for ASAP.
>>
>>HINT: Know everything. That's a joke but there's a bit of truth to it. If
>>you have to refer to the CD, you're in trouble. You should know the basics
>>cold. What are the basics? You know what I mean.
>>
>>I have a new appreciation for CCIE's. I have talked to a few candidates
who
>>took the Lab a year ago. They told me that the exam now is at least twice
as
>>hard as it was then. Keep in mind, the latest and greatest will be on the
>>test, as well as things you think should be retired or is legacy.
>>
>>Good Luck to all, Thanks for your support. I hope we all can help each
other
>>to reach the ultimate goal of this list.
>>
>>PS. You will see ATM. 8*}
>>
>>Benjy Rife
>>MCSE, CNE, CCIE Candidate
>>brife@bignet.net <mailto:brife@bignet.net>
>>www.bignet.net/~brife <http://www.bignet.net/~brife>
>>
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