From: Bill Wade (wwade@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jul 16 1999 - 12:13:25 GMT-3
I really think the none technical stuff is just noise here but I can't resist.
Tense, come on. You heard Ben. Nobody in his or the previous group made it
to day 2. In fact I'm beginning to thinkk tha day 2 is mostly used as practi
ce time for the 90% of us who won't/don't get at least 30 pts on day one. Ther
e may be 1 guy over in the corner who actually made it through day 1 so keep t
he noise down.
Don't you just love the pressure? You gottta know the basics cold, know how t
o maneuver around the CD, manage your time very efficiently, have lots of commo
n sense so as not to waste time, be able to think and stay cool under pressure,
and above all DON'T PANIC. (Please feel free to add anything I missed)
And when you make it through, you are one of the few who can, "Walk the walk an
d talk the talk".
I love this. I can't see how this cert can be watered down any time soon. Tal
k about a challenge.
Bill
At 10:37 AM 7/16/99 , Ron Trunk wrote:
>Aw c'mon guys! You're making me a little tense here!!
>
>Ron
>
>3 days to go ...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Wade <wwade@cisco.com>
>To: Scott Morris <SMorris@tele-tech.com>; 'Ben Rife' <brife@bignet.net>;
>ccielab@groupstudy.com <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:32 AM
>Subject: RE: CCIE Lab
>
>
>>
>>Definitely confirmation that my shot at the lab on 16-Aug will be a trial
>run and a real learning experience.
>>
>>And, I'm leaning toward booking a return flight for the night of day one.
>>Realistic, not pessimistic ....
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>At 09:54 PM 7/15/99 , Scott Morris wrote:
>>>I do not agree with your comment about the CD. No matter how much you
>>>study, it is NOT humanly possible to know it all. I would strongly
>suggest
>>>spending part of your study time learning the CD. There are very few
>parts
>>>that are truly important on the CD. If you have to use the CD's search
>>>engine, you're screwed, 'cause you'll search forever and get nowhere. But
>>>knowing what information is where, and being able to scan through familiar
>>>territory is an excellent way to use it.
>>>
>>>If you don't learn this, not only will you give yourself an ulcer or two
>>>trying to learn everything about everything, but you'll continue to fail
>as
>>>you add to the stress level before, during and after the exam.
>>>
>>>Like the Marines say, "Divide and Conquer" (or maybe it was "we came, we
>>>saw, we kicked their asses"... I dunno.). Figure out what you need to
>know
>>>and learn it. That doesn't mean you have to retain everything, but know
>>>where to find it in very short order. Part of being a CCIE is not just
>raw
>>>knowledge, but the application of it. With that application of knowledge
>>>comes the realization that the more you know, the more you SHOULD realize
>>>you don't know. now that you're aware there are things you don't know,
>>>where is that information found? For the problems covered on the lab, all
>>>the answers are in the CD. Cryptic as it may be, it's there. HOW you
>APPLY
>>>that knowledge is what will make you a CCIE.
>>>
>>>In the mean time, relax, breathe a bit, go for a swim and clear your head.
>>>Manage the time and manage the stress. By realizing you can't know it
>all,
>>>it'll help. When I took the exam the first time in April of this year, I
>>>walked into the exam sure that I was going to pass on the first time,
>>>because I'm a pretty smart guy, and never thought of myself as average,
>>>therefore the statistics of passing rate were unimportant. I had studied,
>>>even taken the week before the exam off to spend on routers all day and
>most
>>>of the night each day. I went over stranger shit than anyone in their
>right
>>>mind would come up with. I knew redistribution backwards, forwards and
>>>inside out. There wasn't going to be any single topic that could be
>thrown
>>>at me that I hadn't tested and mastered.
>>>
>>>That was the problem. There were lots of them. I cannot fault the test
>at
>>>all. Technically it was very well put together. Looking at what I
>screwed
>>>up was just stupid. I did not make it past Day 1, even though I got one
>of
>>>the higher scores of the 6 of us. There were topics I hadn't covered, but
>>>more important was the psychology of the test and the pressure. When I
>came
>>>back home, thoroughly disappointed in myself and irritated, one of my good
>>>friends that I worked with simply looked at me, smirked and said, "Good.
>>>Now you realize you're human like the rest of us. Suck it up and deal
>with
>>>it.". Needless to say, it wasn't what I wanted to hear, 'cause my ego
>>>still hurt, but I took that to heed when studying again.
>>>
>>>A month later, I took the exam, and found myself actually having extra
>time.
>>>It wasn't because I technically knew any more. But because I realized
>that,
>>>and I figured out how to manage that. I still made myself really nervous
>>>when I made it to Day 2 and encountered things I'd never heard of before,
>>>but I had a plan in my head, and it worked. That doesn't mean that I know
>>>everything, and certainly doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone else. But
>it
>>>means that I figured out the concept of the exam and the knowledge,
>divided
>>>it and conquered it.
>>>
>>>Good luck on the next one. Even with the same topics and difficulty, I
>bet
>>>it will be easier!
>>>
>>>Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE (3.x), CCDP, CCIE #4713
>>>smorris@tele-tech.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ben Rife [mailto:brife@bignet.net]
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:02 PM
>>>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>Subject: CCIE Lab
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> As you all can see, there is no new number attached to my name. I
>didn't
>>>pass this time. As a matter of fact, no one in my group even made it to
>day
>>>two and the group before us didn't stay for day two either. It was one
>tough
>>>test. It actually was harder than I had expected. Be prepared to code
>things
>>>you have never seen, much less, heard of before. The test has some
>>>practical, common sense, stuff on it, but there's alot to the test. Much
>of
>>>which you may have never done/seen before. Time is one of your worst
>>>enemies. You probably won't have time to look at the CD either. 7.5 hours
>>>goes like 5 minutes.
>>>
>>>I talked to the proctor and he said "you missed by a wee...bit". I asked
>him
>>>how much that was and he pointed out to me the sections I missed and after
>>>tallying the points, I had 29. You need 30 to pass to day two. I was
>bummed.
>>>I spent a couple of minutes trying to figure out things that I missed.
>After
>>>about 5 minutes. I fixed 2 problems, things I didn't catch before, because
>>>of stress, which would have allowed me to pass. That's the story though.
>I'm
>>>going to reschedule tomorrow for ASAP.
>>>
>>>HINT: Know everything. That's a joke but there's a bit of truth to it. If
>>>you have to refer to the CD, you're in trouble. You should know the basics
>>>cold. What are the basics? You know what I mean.
>>>
>>>I have a new appreciation for CCIE's. I have talked to a few candidates
>who
>>>took the Lab a year ago. They told me that the exam now is at least twice
>as
>>>hard as it was then. Keep in mind, the latest and greatest will be on the
>>>test, as well as things you think should be retired or is legacy.
>>>
>>>Good Luck to all, Thanks for your support. I hope we all can help each
>other
>>>to reach the ultimate goal of this list.
>>>
>>>PS. You will see ATM. 8*}
>>>
>>>Benjy Rife
>>>MCSE, CNE, CCIE Candidate
>>>brife@bignet.net <mailto:brife@bignet.net>
>>>www.bignet.net/~brife <http://www.bignet.net/~brife>
>>>
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