RE: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

Dear Experts,

So, if you were to start your career today, what skills would you sharpen
besides passing CCIE R&S lab? Things that come to my mind are:

Hands-on PfR, hands-on SDN, design to CCDP level, some IOS-XR, some NX-OS,
deeper knowledge of EEM, one scripting language (Perl or Python), TRILL or
equivalent.

Did I miss much?

Andrew

P.S. I fully understand that extensive industry experience is required, I am
asking about the areas of concentration.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
gaston brait
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:53 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Naveen; Radioactive Frog; Chris Rae; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

The programmability is only one side of what aci is trying to do.
It is also a change on how we design networks, and most of our core
networking skills will remain relevant ( ACI is an IS-IS underlay fabric
with vxlan as the overlay) MP-BGP is user to inject external routes. All the
programming you will do to enable the contracts so the epg can talk to each
other, will still be based on networking principles.

I do see programming making it's way into part of the skillset that will be
needed, but no the core.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
>
> Do you know that there is a shortage of CCIEs in the world?
>
> Yes, I agree eventually things will evolve, but ACI will not take over
> such that your knowledge of R&S, Security, SP, Wireless, Storage and
> etc etc will become obsolete. ACI will be another topic another
> technology, another way of doing things. ACI is not for every company.
>
> From time to time I work for Cisco, IBM, TTI, and train students from
> Accenture, WWF and many more and I talk to them about their new
> project, and I don't think that I am clueless.
>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Narbik - You misunderstood. My ccie was definitely useful until now,
>> but don't think it will be valued the same going forward.. Neither
>> Programming nor Networking is rocket science. Both needs good amount
>> of dedication to be productive. Whether a programmer needs to be
>> taught Networking or vice-versa is certainly a different topic and
>> needs due discussion in another thread. I'll let folks decide and choose
for themselves.
>>
>> Naveen.
>>
>> PS: For disclosure sake, I've done Programming, Networking and worked
>> for Cisco, Ericsson. Looking at present and whats coming in near
>> future, I know what am talking about.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So your knowledge of CCIE in any track is useless? Try to teach a
>>> programmer networking.
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please allow me to say something here. Don't bet on CCIE alone.
>> Networking
>>>> Landscape has changed. The market is asking for more DevOps style
>>>> work than traditional LAN/WAN admin style jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Skills such as Python and REST APIs to control routers/switched,
>>>> Application based Networking using Open Stack, Open Daylight ,
>>>> OpenFlow are starting to gain importance. These new technologies
>>>> are designed for networks to be automatable and reconfigurable in
>>>> real time, which should eventually render traditional CCIEs less
>>>> useful. Depending on how much
>> of
>>>> one's active career left, it's time to consider this change.
>>>>
>>>> You might argue our protocols might not change, but that might be
>>>> true
>> in
>>>> the near term (2-3 years). Just look around and see what Open
>>>> Networking standards and protocols have done in the last 2-3 years
>>>> for Data
>> centers,
>>>> Enterprises, and Service Providers. Its time our CCIE training
>>>> partners re-brand themselves to this new wave.
>>>>
>>>> Naveen.
>>>> CCIE25432.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations mate. Well done.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Radioactive Frog <
>> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>> I know where you are coming from. Most CCIE (not everyone) would
>>>> design,
>>>>>> production environment in the lab way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen them in real action where those lab engineer never
>>>>>> seen
>> a
>>>>> real
>>>>>> gear and don't know what really the RJ45 console vs DB9 pin looks
>>>> like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my last role a newly minted out uni double CCIE asked me what
>>>>>> is
>>>> ATM.
>>>>> He
>>>>>> said "i know" but i wanted to confirm. I said what do u know then
>>>>>> he
>>>>> said -
>>>>>> Is it ATM machine where we withdraw money and that ATM connected
>>>>>> to ethernet interface. He was fresh from university with 2XCCIE
>>>> (RS/SEC). I
>>>>>> was like.... wtf. I jokingly said "yes' ATM is the WALL where you
>>>>>> go
>>>> pull
>>>>>> money (but only $100 dollars notes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shocking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Chris Rae <chris.rae07_at_me.com
>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quad CCIE is an awesome effort.....as long as you dont design
>>>>> production
>>>>>>> environments like the Lab then we are all fine! b :o8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:32 pm, Radioactive Frog <
>> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gents,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, some good news...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My target is to stop studying by 2017. No more study afterward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bhatkoti.com/2015/04/16/another-quad-ccie-in-downunder/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are 4xCCIE good enough? What are your thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -frog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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