RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

From our friend Terry Slattery in an interview we posted in the CCIE Flyer
for July:

There was an interesting question recently asked on the Cisco Learning
Network CCIE forum about whether SDN would make the CCIE irrelevant. I dont
think so. Well still need smart engineers who know how the protocols work
within the SDN controllers and how those protocols interface with external
protocols. Consider an enterprise using SDN to interface with multiple ISPs
who are using BGP. Who will understand how BGP works and be able to monitor
and troubleshoot it? That would be someone with CCIE-level knowledge.

http://www.ccieflyer.com/2013-07-EMAN-Terry_Slattery_Interview.php

He also said:

I am also interested in Software Defined Networking. It is going to change
the industry and I want to play a role in it. Ive been blogging about it on
various web sites (nojitter.com, netcraftsmen.net, and riverbed.com). It
isnt just about OpenFlow and similar technologies that are being pushed as
SDN today. Very few product managers really understand what SDN is about.
Ill be describing where it needs to go and try to influence its direction.
Well have to work hard to keep a good enough SDN technology from allowing
us to achieve its full potential.

Thanks!

Eman - CCIE Agent
302-438-1681
CCIE Flyer, CCIE Jobs, CCIE Network
Cisco SRS Program Member
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Jay
McMickle
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 9:33 AM
To: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas
Cc: groupstudy
Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is only a
small part of the game.
 
Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You don't get
upset that you don't have to configure every AP
(autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration. Think of
this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not taking
aware of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still premature,
but I tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way. So,
you can switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
 
If SDN
moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are misaligned.
Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and stand
alone.
Embrace it, and become the best at it.
 
Continue your studies and stay up
with technology. That's my advice.
 
Cheers.

Regards,
Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
#35355 (R&S,Sec)
 
 

________________________________
 From: sameer khan
<khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
  

Monsef thanks
for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager
must have thought
of something but let me take a flashback and try to explain
where i am coming
from, not too far back Microsoft dumped dos, with windows
95. With windows 95
the GUI eliminated the need of commands that were used
for operation as
simple as copying a file. The companies are there for one
sole purpose that is
to make money, so they will dump anything in return of
more profits.
To best
of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship, and
follow
hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are there to handle
control plane and with SDN that control plane is being shifted ( that is
unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or scripts or
maybe
both.
I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will it
makes
sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth that CCIE goes
into and
also any one who i think is preparing for the lab exam will have
solid
foundation of the protocol but when proving it in the lab does that make
sense
and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number that is a
proof
of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required in the
first
place ?
i hope i made sense of my confusion :)

> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
2013 08:16:15 +0200
> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
?
> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> CC:
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
are engineer how can you
> create the click to do the action and how can you
click on this and
> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
help desk or
> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
managers are
> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
reference
> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
certificates that
> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
product specially the
> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
wont be as easy like
> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
see inside this
> business while working in this field.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Monsef
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Hello guys,
> >
> > I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
then i am hearing about sdn or
> > openflow that crushes my motivation and
stops me for moving forward, as
> > what i
> > seem to perceive is that some
point in future, i am not saying tomorrow
or
> > any
> > time soon, the
commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> > understand and
memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> > fancy
> > GUI that
can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
a
> > thing
of the past.
> > I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
really
confused
> > should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
VMware stuff (
> > though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> >
I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the this
> >
confusion.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Blogs and organic groups at
http://www.ccie.net/
> >
> >
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