Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

From: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz_at_bromirski.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:58:09 +0200

"Everything you should ever need to troubleshoot is in the printed running configurations. You either know or don't. There's no trying."

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Dnia 8 lip 2013 o godz. 21:23 Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> napisaE(a):
> I know one that didn't even know what Ping was............hahahaha
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> dhcp is pretty tough one.... a lot of them don't know what port PING
>> operates on or difference between Linux/windows traceroute at the protocol
>> level!!!
>> 
>> anyway, world moving to SDN is like the world moved from manual cars to
>> automatic and soon to robot cars.... is the mechanic still around or no?
>> Yes. So, don't let stuff like SDN, CDN mess up with your goals... keep up
>> with the technology that's all.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Can I admit I never bothered remembering DHCP much past the exams?
>>> 
>>> Now that y'all gave an easy mnemonic, I guess I better.
>>> 
>>> --WM
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 07/08/2013 01:00 PM, John Neiberger wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k.  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
>>>>>  On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
>>>>>> engineers do now...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
>>>>>> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client
>> to
>>>>>> "describe dhcp" and how it works.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sad. Very sad.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>>> Jay McMickle
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: marc abel
>>>>>> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LOL. Same here!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ha!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to
>> which
>>>>>> way to go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Marc
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <
>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
>>>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
>>>>>>>> certified.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Want to guess when the last time  I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
>>>>>>>>> because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
>>>>>>>>> route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
>>>>>>>>> wireless, or voice,
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
>>>>>>>>> this business.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Marc
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
>>>>>>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
>>>>>>>>>> only a small part of the game.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship.  You
>>>>>>>>>> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AP
>>>>>>>>>> (autonomously) do you?  You enjoy the centralized configuration.
>>>>>>>>>> Think
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>>>>> of your elite certification.  Today's form of SDN is still
>>>>>>>>>> premature,
>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
>>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If SDN
>>>>>>>>>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
>>>>>>>>> misaligned.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us.  Fight it, and
>>>>>>>>>> stand alone.
>>>>>>>>>> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Continue your studies and stay up
>>>>>>>>>> with technology.  That's my advice.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
>>>>>>>>>> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>>>>>>> From: sameer khan
>>>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Monsef thanks
>>>>>>>>>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
>>>>>>>>>> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
>>>>>>>>>> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
>>>>>>>>>> dos, with windows 95. With  windows 95 the  GUI eliminated the
>>>>>>>>>> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying
>>>>>>>>>> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
>>>>>>>>>> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
>>>>>>>>>> To best
>>>>>>>>>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
>>>>>>>>>> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are
>>>>>>>>>> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
>>>>>>>>>> being shifted ( that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
>>>>>>>>>> scripts or maybe both.
>>>>>>>>>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
>>>>>>>>>> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
>>>>>>>>>> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
>>>>>>>>>> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
>>>>>>>>>> proving it in the lab does that
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective.  CCIE is a number
>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
>>>>>>>>>> in the first place ?
>>>>>>>>>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
>>>>>>>>>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
>>>>>>>>>> are engineer how can you
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> create the click to do the action and how can you
>>>>>>>>>> click on this and
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
>>>>>>>>>> help desk or
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
>>>>>>>>>> managers are
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
>>>>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
>>>>>>>>>> certificates that
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
>>>>>>>>>> product specially the
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
>>>>>>>>>> wont be as easy like
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what  I
>>>>>>>>>> see inside this
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> business while working in this field.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Monsef
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
>>>>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
>>>>>>>>>>> then i am hearing about sdn or
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
>>>>>>>>>>> stops me for moving forward, as
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> what i
>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to perceive is that some
>>>>>>>>>>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> time soon, the
>>>>>>>>>>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> understand and
>>>>>>>>>>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> fancy
>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI that
>>>>>>>>>>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
>> a
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> of the past.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> confused
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
>>>>>>>>>>> VMware stuff (
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> this confusion.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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