"Everything you should ever need to troubleshoot is in the printed running configurations. You either know or don't. There's no trying."
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-- ./ Dnia 8 lip 2013 o godz. 21:23 Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> napisaE(a): > I know one that didn't even know what Ping was............hahahaha > > >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> >> dhcp is pretty tough one.... a lot of them don't know what port PING >> operates on or difference between Linux/windows traceroute at the protocol >> level!!! >> >> anyway, world moving to SDN is like the world moved from manual cars to >> automatic and soon to robot cars.... is the mechanic still around or no? >> Yes. So, don't let stuff like SDN, CDN mess up with your goals... keep up >> with the technology that's all. >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Can I admit I never bothered remembering DHCP much past the exams? >>> >>> Now that y'all gave an easy mnemonic, I guess I better. >>> >>> --WM >>> >>> >>>> On 07/08/2013 01:00 PM, John Neiberger wrote: >>>> >>>> I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;) >>>>> On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com >>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S >>>>>> engineers do now... >>>>>> >>>>>> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or >>>>>> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client >> to >>>>>> "describe dhcp" and how it works. >>>>>> >>>>>> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW >>>>>> >>>>>> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sad. Very sad. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf >> Of >>>>>> Jay McMickle >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM >>>>>> To: marc abel >>>>>> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ? >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL. Same here! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ha! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either >>>>>>> the >>>>>> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to >> which >>>>>> way to go. >>>>>> >>>>>>> -Marc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle < >> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Agreed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That >>>>>>>> hasn't >>>>>> >>>>>>> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware >>>>>>>> certified. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity >>>>>>>>> because not everyone knows the new stuff yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE >>>>>>>>> route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on >>>>>>>>> wireless, or voice, >>>>>>>> or >>>>>> >>>>>>> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in >>>>>>>>> this business. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Marc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle >>>>>>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is >>>>>>>>>> only a small part of the game. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You >>>>>>>>>> don't get upset that you don't have to configure >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>> >>>>>>> AP >>>>>>>>>> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration. >>>>>>>>>> Think >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not >>>>>>>>> taking >>>>>> >>>>>>> aware >>>>>>>>>> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still >>>>>>>>>> premature, >>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>> >>>>>>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way. >>>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>> >>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If SDN >>>>>>>>>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are >>>>>>>>> misaligned. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and >>>>>>>>>> stand alone. >>>>>>>>>> Embrace it, and become the best at it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Continue your studies and stay up >>>>>>>>>> with technology. That's my advice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE >>>>>>>>>> #35355 (R&S,Sec) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**__ >>>>>>>>>> From: sameer khan >>>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Monsef thanks >>>>>>>>>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must >>>>>>>>>> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to >>>>>>>>>> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped >>>>>>>>>> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the >>>>>>>>>> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying >>>>>>>>>> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to >>>>>>>>>> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits. >>>>>>>>>> To best >>>>>>>>>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship, >>>>>>>>>> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are >>>>>>>>>> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is >>>>>>>>>> being shifted ( that >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>>>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or >>>>>>>>>> scripts or maybe both. >>>>>>>>>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will >>>>>>>>>> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth >>>>>>>>>> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for >>>>>>>>>> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when >>>>>>>>>> proving it in the lab does that >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>> >>>>>>> sense >>>>>>>>>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number >>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>>> proof >>>>>>>>>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required >>>>>>>>>> in the first place ? >>>>>>>>>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul >>>>>>>>>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> CC: >>>>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you >>>>>>>>>> are engineer how can you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> create the click to do the action and how can you >>>>>>>>>> click on this and >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a >>>>>>>>>> help desk or >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program >>>>>>>>>> managers are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a >>>>>>>>>> reference >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business >>>>>>>>>> certificates that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another >>>>>>>>>> product specially the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI >>>>>>>>>> wont be as easy like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I >>>>>>>>>> see inside this >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> business while working in this field. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Monsef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan >>>>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and >>>>>>>>>>> then i am hearing about sdn or >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and >>>>>>>>>>> stops me for moving forward, as >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> what i >>>>>>>>>>>> seem to perceive is that some >>>>>>>>>>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> time soon, the >>>>>>>>>>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> understand and >>>>>>>>>>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fancy >>>>>>>>>>>> GUI that >>>>>>>>>>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE >> a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>> of the past. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> confused >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and >>>>>>>>>>> VMware stuff ( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ? 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