Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

I know one that didn't even know what Ping was............hahahaha

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> dhcp is pretty tough one.... a lot of them don't know what port PING
> operates on or difference between Linux/windows traceroute at the protocol
> level!!!
>
> anyway, world moving to SDN is like the world moved from manual cars to
> automatic and soon to robot cars.... is the mechanic still around or no?
> Yes. So, don't let stuff like SDN, CDN mess up with your goals... keep up
> with the technology that's all.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Can I admit I never bothered remembering DHCP much past the exams?
> >
> > Now that y'all gave an easy mnemonic, I guess I better.
> >
> > --WM
> >
> >
> > On 07/08/2013 01:00 PM, John Neiberger wrote:
> >
> >> I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
> >>> On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
> >>>> engineers do now...
> >>>>
> >>>> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
> >>>> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client
> to
> >>>> "describe dhcp" and how it works.
> >>>>
> >>>> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
> >>>>
> >>>> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sad. Very sad.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Jay McMickle
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
> >>>> To: marc abel
> >>>> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
> >>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL. Same here!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ha!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to
> which
> >>>> way to go.
> >>>>
> >>>>> -Marc
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <
> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> hasn't
> >>>>
> >>>>> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> certified.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
> >>>>>>> see
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
> >>>>>>> because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
> >>>>>>> route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
> >>>>>>> wireless, or voice,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>
> >>>>> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
> >>>>>>> this business.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Marc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
> >>>>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
> >>>>>>>> only a small part of the game.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You
> >>>>>>>> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> every
> >>>>
> >>>>> AP
> >>>>>>>> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration.
> >>>>>>>> Think
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>
> >>>>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> taking
> >>>>
> >>>>> aware
> >>>>>>>> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still
> >>>>>>>> premature,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> but I
> >>>>
> >>>>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
> >>>>>>>> So,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If SDN
> >>>>>>>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> misaligned.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and
> >>>>>>>> stand alone.
> >>>>>>>> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Continue your studies and stay up
> >>>>>>>> with technology. That's my advice.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
> >>>>>>>> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**__
> >>>>>>>> From: sameer khan
> >>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Monsef thanks
> >>>>>>>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
> >>>>>>>> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
> >>>>>>>> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
> >>>>>>>> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the
> >>>>>>>> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying
> >>>>>>>> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
> >>>>>>>> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
> >>>>>>>> To best
> >>>>>>>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
> >>>>>>>> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are
> >>>>>>>> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
> >>>>>>>> being shifted ( that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
> >>>>>>>> scripts or maybe both.
> >>>>>>>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
> >>>>>>>> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
> >>>>>>>> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
> >>>>>>>> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
> >>>>>>>> proving it in the lab does that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> make
> >>>>
> >>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number
> >>>>>>>> that is
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>
> >>>>> proof
> >>>>>>>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
> >>>>>>>> in the first place ?
> >>>>>>>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> CC:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> are engineer how can you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> create the click to do the action and how can you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> click on this and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> help desk or
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> managers are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> certificates that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> product specially the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wont be as easy like
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> see inside this
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> business while working in this field.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Monsef
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
> >>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> then i am hearing about sdn or
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> stops me for moving forward, as
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> what i
> >>>>>>>>>> seem to perceive is that some
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>>> time soon, the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> understand and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> fancy
> >>>>>>>>>> GUI that
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
> a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> of the past.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>> confused
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> VMware stuff (
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear
> the
> >>>>>>>> this confusion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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