RE: Locklizard

Nice picture Brian.
I have one for you.

I had just gotten my first networking job when this server was turned on.
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1199529

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Manouchehr Omari
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 4:32 AM
To: Brian Dennis
Cc: marco207p_at_gmail.com; CCIE Groupstudy
Subject: Re: Locklizard

lolzzzzz. You are very funny Brian.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Like this?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/tCp90.gif
>
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
> INE, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/13 5:09 AM, "marco207p_at_gmail.com" <marco207p_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Brian, I said the same thing when Brian McGahan first posted his
> >comments. As someone said a while back, I grabbed some popcorn and a
> >drink and sit back and watched the emails come in.
> >
> >Joe Sanchez
> >Sent from my iPad
> >
> >On Apr 11, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Brian McGahan rolled that hand grenade into the room and then ran
> >>;-) At the end of the day I don't think he really cares either way
> >>but just enjoys the sound of the DRM "hand grenade" exploding ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>
> >> INE, Inc.
> >> http://www.INE.com<http://www.ine.com/>
> >>
> >> From: "Tim Cribbs Jr."
> >><tmcribbs_at_gmail.com<mailto:tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>>
> >> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:35 AM
> >> To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>>
> >> Cc: Jay McMickle
> >><jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>,
> >> Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, CCIE
> >>Groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> >> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> >>
> >> Great entertainment, indeed. I heard the grenade roll into the
> >>room as soon as I read LockLizard. lol ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards
> >><renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer
> >>sholarships on annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't
> >>afford or couldn't attend under normal circumstances. During my
> >>seesion w/INE in San Jose, I met a few re seats that didn't pay a
> >>full fee or anything at all for resit.
> >> I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while.
> >>One was taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
> >>
> >> Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I
> >>don't know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for
> >>entertainment and some interesting classroom discussions in which
> >>no training company is left out of.
> >>
> >> Marc Edwards
> >> CCIE #38259
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle
> >> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted
> >>>sales to ask.
> >>>
> >>> (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out
> >>>of time
> >>> out...)
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis
> >> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jay,
> >>>> You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really?
> >>>>Here
> >>>> is what our sales team will tell you:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if
> >>>>>they have their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then
> >>>>>there is a rack rental fee required:
> >>>>> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
> >>>>> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
> >>>>
> >>>>> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are
> >>>>> completely free. Includes INE rack access.
> >>>>> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a
> >>>>> rack directly with us.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on
> >>>>average
> >>> 3
> >>>> reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get
> >>>>the rack rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-
> ne
> >>>w-s
> >>>> tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> INE, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle"
> >> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I love this banter!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect
> >>>>> their investment?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
> >>>>>workbooks on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I
> >>>>>read one of them make a joke about this last time this came up
> >>>>>in fact!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that
> >>>>>puts hard work into his teaching and materials, just as the
> >>>>>Brian's do. Both material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend
> >>>>>his retake his bootcamps for free.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works
> >>>>>well for them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's
> >>>>>$350 workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake
> >>>>>an INE boot camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes
> >>>>>on a regular basis, but might have a periodic special-maybe).
> >>>>>Hmm. I think I see the point
> >>>>> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10"
> >>>>> tablet to read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second
> >>>>> 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy labbing- cheers!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
> >> <david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time
> >>>>>>do I condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full
> >>>>>>every single
> >>> of
> >>>>>> training material that I used.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be
> >>>>>>pirated no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the
> >>>>>>approach that INE have of simply not using DRM in the first
> >>>>>>place is the correct one, it means I can sign into my members
> >>>>>>page, download the PDF and use it however I choose (Android,
> >>>>>>iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many devices or
> >>>>>>in the PDF reader I must use.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> David Rothera
> >>>>>> CCIE #38338
> >>>>>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>> M: 07584060207
> >>>>>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk<http://networkbroadcast.co.uk>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the
> >>>>>>> most pirated IE Workbooks around!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What one person receives without working for, another person
> >>>>>>>must work for without receiving.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like
> >>>>>>>to commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here
> >>>>>>>in the States. If you don't mind flying over here and working
> >>>>>>>for free... :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -JB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
> >>>>>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>
> >> (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>)> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> My experience is this -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but
> >>>>>>>>for me its easier to use my INE products instead of messing
> >>>>>>>>about with
> >>> Locklizard
> >>>>>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> >>>>>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was
> >>>>>>>>my first experience with LockLizard) and when you are a
> >>>>>>>>vendor, its important to remember that reputation and
> >>>>>>>>experiences are **everything**.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that
> >>>>>>>>material can be found online and shared but I would guess
> >>>>>>>>that there approach is to make a product so good that you
> >>>>>>>>can't **not** buy it.
> >>>>>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day,
> >>>>>>>>the people that were going to buy the material will buy the
> >>>>>>>>material and the people that weren't going to - won't.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and
> >>>>>>>> effort invested in DRM being used to create, improve and
> >>>>>>>> deliver products more efficiently.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> >>>>>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> >> (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>)>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> >>>>>>>>> explanation...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual
> >>>>>>>>>property copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is
> >>>>>>>>>built on breaking
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> rules...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better
> >>>>>>>>>be playing for "the right side."
> >>>>>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw
> >>>>>>>>>last week when they grabbed a few more democrat NYS
> >>>>>>>>>senators in Queens :) Aha loved to say that... good
> >>>>>>>>>riddens...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a
> >>>>>>>>>green light to do so.
> >>>>>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get
> >>>>>>>>>like a 17 year jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time,
> >>>>>>>>>resources and materials the entrepreneur invested into his
> >>>>>>>>>product, business or service deserves a system where his
> >>>>>>>>>investment is protected. For the same reason a Military
> >>>>>>>>>general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> >>>>>>>>>without due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter
> >>>>>>>>>without the fear of doing hard jail time. In America, if
> >>>>>>>>>you take something that doesn't belong to you there are
> >>>>>>>>>harsh consequences...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at
> >>>>>>>>>the end of the bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from
> >>>>>>>>>counties where copyright enforcement has a pretty piss poor
> >>>>>>>>>history.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for
> >>>>>>>>> free
> >>> because
> >>>>>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you
> >>>>>>>>>broke the encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on
> >>>>>>>>>you. Keep doing it and see what happens when the lawyers of
> >>>>>>>>>Universal and Fox News Subpoena your Fios IP. Got $500,000
> >>>>>>>>>in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
> >>>>>>>>> Take
> >>>>>>>>> your pick...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and
> >>>>>>>>>hard work will improve his family's quality of life, put
> >>>>>>>>>his grandkids through college (he's like 97, right?), help
> >>>>>>>>>him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep new fresh Michy's on
> >>>>>>>>>his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his health
> >>>>>>>>>insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your
> >>>>>>>>> newly minted CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me
> >>>>>>>>> the cash???
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Joe Brunner
> >>>>>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican
> >>>>>>>>>hottie on his arm
> >>>>>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
> >>>>>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>)
> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>]
> >>>>>>>>> On
> >> Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>>> David Rothera
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you
> >>>>>>>>>are hurting are your customers and I hate to say it Narbik
> >>>>>>>>>but the fact that you use this crap is why I would never
> >>>>>>>>>consider your products.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the
> >>>>>>>>>end of the day as I have already said the only people that
> >>>>>>>>>get hurt by this are your real customers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David Rothera
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE #38338
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
> >> <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>)> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc
> >>>>>>>>>> etc ......
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >>>>>>>>>> *www.MicronicsTraining.com<http://www.MicronicsTraining.com
> >>>>>>>>>> >
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