Re: Locklizard

Great entertainment, indeed. I heard the grenade roll into the room as
soon as I read LockLizard. lol ;)

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer sholarships on
> annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
> attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose, I
> met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for resit.
> I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
> taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
>
> Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
> know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for entertainment
> and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company is
> left out of.
>
> Marc Edwards
> CCIE #38259
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales
> to
> > ask.
> >
> > (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of
> time
> > out...)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jay,
> > > You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really?
> Here
> > > is what our sales team will tell you:
> > >
> > >> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they
> have
> > >> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a rack
> > >> rental fee required:
> > >> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
> > >> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
> > >
> > >> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
> > >> free. Includes INE rack access.
> > >> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
> > >> directly with us.
> > >
> > > Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on
> average
> > 3
> > > reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
> > >
> > > Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the
> rack
> > > rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
> > > tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > > bdennis_at_ine.com
> > >
> > > INE, Inc.
> > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle" <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I love this banter!
> > >>
> > >> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> > >> investment?
> > >>
> > >> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
> workbooks
> > >> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them
> > >> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> > >>
> > >> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts
> hard
> > >> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
> > >> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his
> bootcamps
> > >> for free.
> > >>
> > >> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
> for
> > >> them.
> > >>
> > >> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
> > >> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE
> boot
> > >> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
> > >> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point
> > >> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
> > >>
> > >> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
> > >> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
> > >> perhaps?
> > >>
> > >> Happy labbing- cheers!
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
> > >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single
> > of
> > >>> training material that I used.
> > >>>
> > >>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
> > >>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that
> > >>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct
> one,
> > >>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it
> > >>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in
> > >>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> David Rothera
> > >>> CCIE #38338
> > >>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> > >>> M: 07584060207
> > >>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
> > >>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must
> work
> > >>>> for without receiving.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> > >>>> commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
> > >>>> States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for free...
> :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -JB
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
> > >>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> > >>>>> My experience is this -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
> > >>>>> its
> > >>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> > Locklizard
> > >>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> > >>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my
> first
> > >>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its
> important
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
> > >>>>> can be
> > >>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
> > >>>>> make a
> > >>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> > >>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
> > >>>>> people that
> > >>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> weren't going to - won't.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
> > >>>>> invested
> > >>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
> > >>>>> efficiently.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > >>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> > >>>>>> explanation...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual
> property
> > >>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
> > the
> > >>>>>> rules...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
> > >>>>>> playing for
> > >>>>>> "the right side."
> > >>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last
> week
> > >>>>>> when
> > >>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha
> loved
> > >>>>>> to say
> > >>>>>> that... good riddens...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green
> light
> > >>>>>> to do
> > >>>>>> so.
> > >>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a
> 17
> > >>>>>> year
> > >>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
> > >>>>>> service
> > >>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
> > >>>>>> reason a
> > >>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> > >>>>>> without
> > >>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear
> of
> > >>>>>> doing
> > >>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
> > >>>>>> belong to
> > >>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the
> end
> > >>>>>> of the
> > >>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where
> copyright
> > >>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
> > because
> > >>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it
> and
> > >>>>>> see
> > >>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
> > >>>>>> your Fios
> > >>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000
> settlement.
> > >>>>>> Take
> > >>>>>> your pick...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
> > >>>>>> will
> > >>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
> > >>>>>> college
> > >>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth,
> keep
> > >>>>>> new
> > >>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> > >>>>>> health
> > >>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
> > >>>>>> minted
> > >>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Joe Brunner
> > >>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie
> on
> > >>>>>> his
> > >>>>>> arm
> > >>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
> > >>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
> > >>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>>>>> David Rothera
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> > >>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
> > >>>>>> hurting are
> > >>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you
> use
> > >>>>>> this
> > >>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of
> the
> > >>>>>> day
> > >>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
> > >>>>>> your real
> > >>>>>> customers.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> David Rothera
> > >>>>>> CCIE #38338
> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > >>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> > >>>>>>> ......
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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