Re: Locklizard

What company do you work for, and what's your home address? See, leave it
vulnerable and they will come after it.... ;)

Regards,
Jay McMickle- 3x
CCNP (R&S,Security,Design), CCIE #35355 (R&S)
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Austin!
 
 

________________________________
 From: JB Poplawski
<jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
To: Manouchehr Omari <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
Cc:
marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>;
David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>; Shane Killian
<shane_at_shanekillian.net>; Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; Narbik
Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Locklizard
  

I don't
lock my car, because people can break into it. All my firewalls are permit ip
any any... :)

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Manouchehr Omari
<manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>No one in better mind state won't
just let their product be available on internet for free. I don't see anything
wrong for protecting your treasure. for a guy like me who is living in
Afghanistan and internet is very very limited haven't faced any problem with
his workbooks/DRM..all those. I attempted his bootcamp and if you could see
the effort he was putting in the class. he recommended every students to
re-take the bootcamp before attempting the lab and that for FREE, who would
do that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards
<renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing
that is the delivery
>>mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is
un-fortunate but
>>copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't
internationally
>>enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does
nothing to
>>disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that
puts the
>>American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That
is why
>>I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
>>
>>I commend anyone who
can come up with a model that attracts and retains
>>customer base w/open
sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
>>worth getting the latest
updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
>>Also, the bootlegged stuff
is used to create warm leads and increase future
>>sales.
>>
>>What I noticed
about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
>>plug which I
believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
>>advertise.
>>
>>We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another side
>>war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing! Can't
>>we all just be friends?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Marc Edwards
>>CCIE
#38259
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I love this banter!
>>>
>>> You are
arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>>> investment?
>>>
>>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
workbooks on
>>> bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one
of them make a
>>> joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>>>
>>> I
mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>>>
work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both material
>>> is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.
>>>
>>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
for
>>> them.
>>>
>>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on
Narbik's $350
>>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake
an INE boot
>>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a
regular basis, but
>>> might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I
see the point here-
>>> you want the longer term workbook for free.
>>>
>>>
Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to read
>>>
the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
>>>
>>> Happy labbing- cheers!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>>>
Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
<david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > You seem to be misunderstanding
my stance on this. At no time do I
>>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have
paid for in full every single of
>>> training material that I used.
>>> >
>>>
> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated no
>>>
matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE have
>>> of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it means I
>>> can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
choose
>>> (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many
devices or in
>>> the PDF reader I must use.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
David Rothera
>>> > CCIE #38338
>>> > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>>> > M:
07584060207
>>> > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, 11
April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I like how the first guy
to reply is the Co-founder of the most pirated
>>> IE Workbooks around!
>>> >>
>>> >> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
>>> for without receiving.
>>> >>
>>> >> David, let me know when you can
photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>> commission you for free. I got a few
gigs you can do here in the States.
>>> If you don't mind flying over here
and working for free... :)
>>> >>
>>> >> -JB
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr
11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
>>>
shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>>> >>> My experience is this -
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me its
>>> >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with Locklizard
>>> >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>> >>> This is something that
you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>> >>> experience with
LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important to
>>> >>> remember that
reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think that
 "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
>>> can be
>>> >>>
found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>>> make a
>>> >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>> >>> This is an
intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the people
>>> that
>>> >>>
were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>>> that
>>> >>> weren't going to - won't.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would be interested to see
the contribution of time and effort
>>> invested
>>> >>> in DRM being used to
create, improve and deliver products more
>>> efficiently.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L.
Brunner
>>> >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
(mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have to disagree
David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>> explanation...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>> >>>>
copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
>>> >>>>
rules...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had
better be playing
>>> for
>>> >>>> "the right side."
>>> >>>> In NYC, you have
FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>>> when
>>> >>>> they
grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
>>> to say
>>>
>>>> that... good riddens...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit
CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>>> to do
>>> >>>> so.
>>> >>>> In NYC
if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
>>> year
>>>
>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> American culture
values intellectual property. The time, resources and
>>> >>>> materials the
entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>> service
>>> >>>>
deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>> reason a
>>> >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
>>> without
>>> >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without
the fear of
>>> doing
>>> >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take
something that doesn't belong
>>> to
>>> >>>> you there are harsh
consequences...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the
guy quacking at the end
>>> of the
>>> >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen
to be from counties where copyright
>>> >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss
poor history.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his
product away for free because
>>> >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply
with DRM?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are
encrypted. If you broke the
>>> >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD
that's on you. Keep doing it and
>>> see
>>> >>>> what happens when the
lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena your
>>> Fios
>>> >>>> IP. Got
$500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>>> Take
>>> >>>>
your pick...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his
time and hard work
>>> will
>>> >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put
his grandkids through
>>> college
>>> >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him
pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>>> new
>>> >>>> fresh Michy's on his car
so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>> health
>>> >>>> insurance so he
can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If you are
not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>> minted
>>> >>>>
CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
Joe Brunner
>>> >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4"
Dominican hottie on
>>> his
>>> >>>> arm
>>> >>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>> >>>>
Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
(mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:
>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>>> >>>> David Rothera
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>
>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>> >>>> Subject: Re:
Locklizard
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only
people you are
>>> hurting are
>>> >>>> your customers and I hate to say it
Narbik but the fact that you use
>>> this
>>> >>>> crap is why I would never
consider your products.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> People will always find a way to
pirate things and at the end of the
>>> day
>>> >>>> as I have already said
the only people that get hurt by this are your
>>> real
>>> >>>> customers.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> David Rothera
>>> >>>> CCIE #38338
>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com(mailto:
>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Now you
can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>> ......
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410
(R&S, SP, Security)
>>> >>>>> *http://www.micronicstraining.com/
(http://www.micronicstraining.com/)* <
>>> http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>> >>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>> >>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning
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